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To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (15267)	11/10/1999 6:35:00 PM
From: cody andre	Respond to of 17770

It's only about oil ... Direct and indirect control of the Baku oilfields.

To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (15267)	11/10/1999 6:48:00 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 17770

George, that is the larger tragedy of Clinton/Blair/Albright stupidity....They have compromised USA standing and for what? The only weak point of Zbignev's analysis, IMO is his assertion that something US can do about the situation that we find ouselves in now... We (clinton-Gore) have bet on the wrong horse in Russia, waisted money, prestige and future ..What do they have to show for it? Thaci in Kosovo?

To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (15267)	11/10/1999 7:29:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 17770

One of the scariest aspects of Brzezinski's piece is the bit about the gas masks. The fact is that the Russians have charged that the Chechen "bandits" have a supply of poison gas (Infrit, they call it), and that they have been shipping it in to Grozny. The Chechens immediately understood that to mean that the Russians were planning to use gas against them -- and then to blame it on them. Something along the lines of: "Those dumb Chechens! They dropped those gas cannisters and gassed themselves!" or: "They deliberately gassed their own people, in order to get the sympathy of the West." That has been the pattern so far. For example, ITAR-TASS has been releasing stories (which few of the Russian media have picked up, interestingly enough)fed to it by the military, to the effect that Chechen fighters have been slipping explosives into passenger cars carrying refugees, with fiendish devices that blow up the cars whenever a Russian plane flies overhead. The idea is that it is not the Russians who are bombing refugee convoys, but the Chechens themselves. Crazy stuff -- but the folks back home believe it. Besides,most of the folks back home don't care! I have been hanging out in Russian internet discussion groups, where this sort of thing is par for the course: "Waste them all! The Chechens are a criminal people, anyway. Pour napalm on them, gas them, nuke them -- whatever it takes for them to obey!" Or: "The territory of Chechnya is ours. But we don't need the Chechens. They never create anything but trouble. So either wipe them out, or kick them out..." etc., etc. Public opinion. Ain't it wonderful.

To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (15267)	11/10/1999 8:14:00 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

Turkey Fears Chechnya May Destabilize Caucasus ANKARA, Nov 10, 1999 -- (Reuters) Turkish Foreign Minister Ismail Cem said on Wednesday Russia's military offensive in the rebel region of Chechnya could spread instability throughout the Caucasus region. Moslem Turkey has close historic, economic and cultural ties to the Caucasus region and many Turks are sympathetic to the cause of Chechen independence. Some 200,000 refugees have fled Russia's six-week-old campaign against Moslem rebels in Chechnya, straining the resources of impoverished neighboring regions. "The events in Chechnya...cause great concern in Turkey," Cem said in a written statement issued in Ankara. "The situation presents the danger of spreading to the Caucasus and sparking regional instability." His remarks came ahead of a meeting of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to be held in the Turkish city of Istanbul on November 18-19. The OSCE is sending a mission to Chechnya to monitor the plight of the refugees. Russia is likely to face tough criticism at the summit for its campaign against Moslem rebels in the Chechnya region. (C)1999 Copyright Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.