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To: VoyK who wrote (5687)11/12/1999 9:12:00 AM
From: StockDung  Respond to of 10354
 
I would rather see the actual brokerage accounts of D.Scott Elder and the other multilevel marketeers brokerage statements and see the returns that they have had trading options. ZSUN should sell their whole portfolio of CRIM stocks and invest in options with returns like they claim. If they had put options on CQMT ZSUN TMOT DYNX BVEX FTFR BTTF LCAI KNGI DDD they would have cleaned up.



To: VoyK who wrote (5687)11/12/1999 9:32:00 AM
From: StockDung  Respond to of 10354
 
Future testimonials


08/26/98

Dear Gary:

First, let me thank you and your associates for setting up Gary's World. I hope you will continue it for the benefit of others, as long as there is a Wade Cook. Let me summarize as briefly as I can why I believe something should be done to limit the outrageous misrepresentations Wade Cook Seminars makes to consumers who know little if anything about the stock market.

Sometime in July of 1997, I heard Wade B. Cook on a Fresno radio program soliciting listeners to call 800-872-7411 to obtain a video about strategies for profiting in the stock market. I called the 800 number for Wade Cook Seminars and requested a copy of the video entitled "180 Degree Turnaround Cash Flow Seminar." As part of the deal, I was given five days access to W.I.N. I still have a copy of this video, which is one of several utilized by Wade Cook Financial Corporation (WCFC) to market seminars, services and products. The video sent to me represented:

that the seminar instructors for Wade Cook Seminars are experts on the strategies for making money in stocks and stock options;
that the Wall Street Workshop seminar teaches these strategies effectively to others;
that testimonials show that these strategies can be used successfully, with very little capital;
that I could set up a stock trading account with my IRA funds;
that at the Wall Street Workshop the instructors were averaging nine to eleven stock option trades that provided a return greater than 300%;
that by attending the Wall Street Workshop I would gain sufficient knowledge to enable me to apply these stock and stock option strategies successfully; and
that the Wall Street Workshop package offered to me was worth great deal more than the $3695 price, because it included the following:
1) a two day seminar teaching the stock and stock option strategies promoted in the video;
2) one day of instruction on business entities, called the B.E.S.T. seminar (Business Entities Skills Training);
3) six months of access to W.I.N;
4) a home study course called "Zero to Zillions."


On September 24, 25, and 26, 1997, I attended a Wall Street Workshop in Sacramento and was encouraged by its instructors to purchase a subscription to the I.Q. Pager for $1695, a product the instructors recommended as essential to the success of the stock and stock options strategies taught at the seminar ("use a credit card, if necessary"). The I.Q. Pager is a stock market information service provided by INFORMATION QUEST, INC. that provides to subscribers selected news of stock splits, stocks rising or falling sharply and related stock market information. I purchased the I.Q. Pager and put it on my credit card.

While at the Wall Street Workshop I was also encouraged to purchase the High Octane Options Seminar from Wade Cook Seminars, for $695, as a follow-up to the Wall Street Workshop. On October 27, 1997, I attended the High Octane Options Seminar and was encouraged to purchase seven Special Reports written by Steve Wirrick, ##701 to 707, for $109. We were not able to review the reports before receiving them in the mail, but they were touted as containing important strategies for success in trading stock options.

During this period, from about August 12, 1997, through about February 2, 1998, I utilized the services and products provided by Wade Cook Seminars and relied upon their misrepresentations in making investments in stocks and stock options. As result of this reliance, I suffered losses of more than $54,000 in capital, not including interest and related fees. During the same period, I lost more than $6,000 in my IRA savings, which I had converted to a trading account at the suggestion of Wade Cook Seminars. AND I PAID MORE THAN $6000 FOR THE PRIVILEGE!!!

On about April 3, 1998, I read a company press release for WCFC posted on the internet, which combined earnings for WCFC and its subsidiaries, like Wade Cook Seminars. At page two, it reported income for 1996 of $40,724,515, only $92,711 of which was earned from trading securities, comprising about .228% of its total income. The same press release reported income for 1997 of $104,907,650, with losses of $804,493 from trading securities.

Wade Cook had no reasonable grounds for believing that the misrepresentations made to me in the video and at the workshops were true. Further, the company withheld the important basic information:

it is not possible to learn how to make intelligent decisions on how to invest in the stock market or stock options in just a few days, weeks or even months;
the strategies taught at the workshop were structured to induce the purchase of additional products and services provided by Wade Cook Seminars, WCFC and Information Quest, rather than to teach myself and others how to become successful traders in the stock market;
that I would not be able to do most of the trades taught at the Wall Street Workshop and placed on W.I.N., because brokers in the industry require substantial financial resources before they allow persons to perform the straddles and spreads that are given as examples;
that having substantial cash equity is a prerequisite to investing in the stock market and stock options;
that Wade Cook Seminars uses instructors to teach the Wall Street Workshop who have inadequate or limited experience, both in the market and in teaching;
that I and others would probably never be able to discern from the numerous trades posted on W.I.N. the few trades, if any, that were likely to realize a profit.


On about April 21, 1998, I returned the I.Q. Pager purchased from INFORMATION QUEST, seeking a refund. On about May 5, 1998, I returned the other products purchased from Wade Cook Seminars and WCFC seeking a full refund in the amount of about $6094. It is now the last week in August, and it appears I will have to file a civil complaint in order to recover amounts paid to Wade Cook and related entities.

Stuart MacGregor
smacgr19@idt.net
3505 E. Weldon Avenue
Fresno, Ca 93703




To: VoyK who wrote (5687)11/12/1999 9:36:00 AM
From: StockDung  Respond to of 10354
 
No matter what Wade Cook says, people do lose money following his strategies. This section is a collection of stories we have received from individuals who have either fallen into that trap or barely escaped. garywall.com

Disclaimer: We have no way to verify the accuracy of the stories in this section. Although we believe them to be true, all readers should be advised that this is the Internet -- where Elvis is alive and UFO aliens abound.

What is your story? GaryZZZZZ@aol.com

Lost on every transaction
$40,000 lighter and much wiser
Tried and tried and tried... no cigar
They suggested "Sweet trades" and people rushed to call their brokers
I worked for Wade for about a year
Very suspicious about the used car salesman tactics
Put the cost of the Seminar on a Credit card
I immediately cancelled my Cook University deal and voided my check.
When is somebody going to arrest this guy?
I have lost a few thousand in the market playing the WIN trades
"Double SOME of your money?" That could mean a whole LOT of things, couldn't it?
The guy sitting beside of me answered the speaker's questions as if they were scripted.
It appears he may deserve the reviews.
So my winners were small while my losses were huge
If this guy can afford these expensive mailings, his strategies must really be working
The "clinic" turned out to be a 3 hour "live infomercial"
But then I started facing problems never mentioned by Wade.
Made $5000 in three weeks, but then ended up losing $8000.
I really wouldn't want to stand in his shoes having used the veil of Christianity for personal gain.
I am a senior in high school
I lost $3000.00 in 3 months
The instructor was repeating portions of the WALL STREET MONEY MACHINE verbatim
The reason alot of us do give him any weight at all is because he says he's a Christian.
He suggested tax deductions which when tested by the IRS more than likely would put you in jail.
For FOUR straight months this WADE stock was on a crash course.
I was Wade's WIN manager for 2 years
In all, I lost all $2700 worth of stock my father left me and about $2000 of my own hard earned money
Currently, I find myself in a margin call, seeking to scrape together enough available cash to meet it.
Well, it seemed that the 'secondary' instructor that Wade had there to teach options was a rookie
If you want to spend $5,000.00 pay off your credit card bills!
At this stage, I have lost over $15,000 dollars following Wade Cook strategies
The teacher, Steve Wirrick is a snake oil salesman.
I suffered losses of more than $54,000 in capital, not including interest and related fees.
I worked for Wade Cook Seminars for almost two years.
Anyway, after all this, I lost around, ugh, 10K.
I dropped about $70,000 following this con man.
Then after losing on every trade that I got off of WIN, and wrote in telling them so.... they offered to do a number of things.
As he stormed out of the court room after the judge called him a liar and a cheat, he had the nerve to accuse me of cheating him.
I made money, but began to lose money. Lost about $10k. At this time I stopped trading.
Much to our disappointment, we lost $3,500 by executing a couple of option plays.
"Jane" lost about $4,000 following the "rolling stock" idea, and got stuck with a bad stock.
When submitting a story, remember to tell me if you wish to remain anonymous. Otherwise, I will print your name and email address.





To: VoyK who wrote (5687)11/12/1999 9:47:00 AM
From: StockDung  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10354
 
The only independently verified records of Wade Cook's trading success are the documents that Wade Cook Financial Corporation is required to file with the Securities Exchange Commission.

Despite repeated requests of subscribers to Wade Cook's WIN network.
Despite repeated requests of Wade Cook Financial shareholders.
Despite repeated requests of skeptics who do not believe Wade Cook can make a consistent 300% annual return.
These filings are submitted under oath, and required by law.

So, what is the true record of Wade Cook's own trading? Look at this excerpt from his last income statement. Somehow, in trying to apply Wade Cook's trading principles, the pros at Wade Cook Financial Corporation managed to loose $804,000 during one of the greatest bull markets in history. A skeptic might ask: If Wade Cook's own traders can't make Wade Cook's methods work, then how can a student?

We can confirm that Wade Cook made millions last year. However, it was not from trading securities. While company profits increased by an impressive 17% last year, Wade Cook's direct royalty fees increased by an astounding 228%. By raiding the company treasury, Wade Cook increased his net worth by $10 million while leaving only $9 million for the company and it's shareholders.

garywall.com