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Pastimes : Ask God -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Berry Picker who wrote (28134)	11/12/1999 1:29:00 PM
From: mark silvers	Respond to of 39621

Brian, I ask you to explain in your own words for specific reasons. The first is that the Bible, IMO, does not hold literal truth for me. With all due respect, if I wanted to know what the Bible says, I could look it up. I wouldn't need to ask you. I am more interested in what the Bible means to you. to know that, I need to know your opinions, of what it says, not just a cut and paste job. <<It is a gift that is given not by our worthiness or merit but by the sheer Grace of God.>> I don't need to play the spiritual lottery, hoping the wheel spins with my name on it. <<If you can defeat me intellectually then you will have your reward but I will still have mine.>> Here is the point you keep getting stuck on. I am not trying to defeat you. I am not trying to win. I am comfortable with my beliefs and believe you are just as comfortable with yours. I have zero desire to change one iota of what you believe. I just want to gain a better of understanding of why people believe the things they do. <<If we revel in it do we not receive the reward of reveling ? If we are found to enjoy reveling then perhaps we gave on the condition that we could revel and feel justified within ourselves.>> Is that why you love your children? I doubt it. I know that it is not why I love mine. YOu use people who are very bad as a way of saying that unconditional love does not exist. That is a poor example. I do not have unconditional for everyone. I never said that I did. But you could go down death row, and find the most rotten people, and still find people that love them dearly. There are those that love people who have done nothing but harm to that person. Unconditional love does exist, I have shown you many examples, yet you say there may be some condition. I can't argue that, because there may be anything. Ther may be aliens rinning amongst us, and there is no way to argue that is untrue. YOur whole thing about God and jealousy is predicated upon a vision of a God who believes that he owns people, and that he is unworthy of that ownership. Any analyst can tell you that jealousy is a by-product of insecurity, of unworhhiness, of inability. I don't believe any of that. OPen marriage.... I have no idea of how tht fits into our conversation, or how it got brought up. I am much more interested in sex that I am going to have, than the sexual practices of others. If a bunch of maried people want to risk their marriages, that is their decision to do that, not mine. I am happily married and very content. <<Can God look the other way while men devour steal and destroy and love those men unconditionally ?>> And he will teach men not to devour by devouring the souls of the guilty? Again, that is ludicrous. YOu ask if I am ready for judgement? what will you say on tht day? "God, I hated most and tried to seperate men from each other, all in your name?" It may not be me that is in for a surprise:-) mark