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To: RTev who wrote (23554)11/13/1999 9:47:00 PM
From: Bearded One  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 24154
 
I completely agree. Well said, and yes, many people miss the point that much of what happened in the last year is due to Microsoft being tied up by the DOJ. Can anyone here imagine Dell selling Linux machines without this lawsuit?



To: RTev who wrote (23554)11/14/1999 9:19:00 AM
From: Harvey Allen  Respond to of 24154
 
Found it!!

From a speech given by Nicholas Johnson in 1993 discussing the AT&T breakup

Well, since I made a career out of writing dissenting opinions at the FCC you can imagine my surprise when I got a majority of the commissioners to go along with me, and say that this little fly-by-night outfit ought to be able to put in this private microwave system. Today that company has grown into something we call MCI. But before it got to where it is today you may recall the abuses that were thrust upon it by AT&T, which was both its conduit and its competitor. They led to the largest anti-trust judgment in history: 1.8 billion dollars worth of abuses by AT&T, anti- competitive practices of various kinds. And that's what we mean by why we need to separate content and conduit. Right?

There are ten thousand ways to screw over your competitor. I mean it is unlimited, only limited by the imagination of human kind. You've got your service going out, but it's going to take another six weeks before the lines are going to be available for your competitor. Your lines are up, your competitor's lines went down. Customers can get access to your information in a fraction of a second, but they have to wait twenty seconds to activate your competitor's line. And worst of all, the sort of thing going on in this story, is by definition the carrier knows all your customers. So what is the first thing information marketing does? They get the customer list. And they call up all the MCI customers. And they say, "How would you like to switch to AT&T?" "How did you know I had MCI?" Yeah. [laughter] I mean it is unlimited the things you can do to screw over a competitor. It is just not going to work. And even if the FCC wanted to regulate such abuses -- which it doesn't -- it wouldn't be able to. So the only way to insure fair competition is to prevent those mergers of function in the first place. You just make it clean.



To: RTev who wrote (23554)11/15/1999 11:23:00 AM
From: Daniel Schuh  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 24154
 
What to Do About Microsoft? Antitrust Experts Offer Opinions nytimes.com

Welcome to the thread, RTev. Here's the day's NYT article, I assume you've seen it already, but I like to keep the people here notified. Before looking at a couple of the suggested remedies, such as they are, a word or two about your post. It's true, as you say, that the ongoing action has changed the landscape, even without a resolution. Is that enough? The true friends of Bill would respond that it's already too much, of course. I'd say that the problem is, if you let Microsoft off with a wiggle-room consent decree settlement ala the '95 decree, who's to say it doesn't start all over again? That's hardly an original opinion on my part, as will be seen below.

Anyway, from the article, we get, first of all, an amusing quote from our man Bill:

"The only thing that we know for sure would be bad for consumers is anything that blocked us from being able to innovate Windows, or anything that made it so that when people buy Windows they don't know what is in it. Beyond that we'll be as pragmatic as we can."

As usual, the eternal company line that bundling software = "innovation", in addition to the echo of the dread "integrity and uniformity of the Windows experience" line. Personally, I think want would benefit consumers most is if Microsoft would just fix Windows, but never mind.

Next, a hawkish view, from one William Baer, former director, Bureau of Compliance, Federal Trade Commission

"If you start with a monopoly company that has unlawfully limited competition," he said, "the goal of any remedy has to be more than telling them, 'Go out and sin no more.' That approach would allow the monopolist to maintain the benefits it has gained from illegal use of its monopoly power.

"What you want to do is move the market back in the direction it would have gone but for the unlawful conduct. So the remedy has to be something structural."

While he was not willing to suggest a specific solution, he did say: "It would be something like licensing their source code, spinning off part of the company. Whatever it is, it should be self-executing.

"But my key point is this: What kind of lesson does a monopolist take if he is told, 'Please don't do this anymore,' and is allowed to keep all of his ill-gotten gains? If the judge found that Microsoft obtained its position illegally, then Microsoft should have to pay for it.

"A structural remedy also sends a signal to any possible future monopolists that they don't want to go down this road."


On the other hand, from the "conduct remedies" school, we have Robert Hall, economist, Stanford University, a fairly conservative economist I think.

Of his proposed remedy, he says: "I can't claim that it will solve every problem. But the real issue is being sure that the remedy does more good than harm. So I think it needs to be conservative and clean."

Hall said he "admired the quality of the economic arguments in the judge's findings." And one good way to address them, he added, would be to prohibit Microsoft from "conditioning the sale of Windows licenses to computer manufacturers on anything other than the manufacturers' ability to pay for the license and to respect Microsoft's intellectual property."

Evidence presented during the trial showed that Microsoft threatened to withhold Windows from IBM and Compaq when those two companies engaged in other actions Microsoft did not like.

"A remarkably large number of problems shown in the suit would be resolved with this," he said.

Hall said he would also force Microsoft to revise its contracts to prevent predatory or exclusionary dealings with other companies. That would ensure that Microsoft did not condition its dealings with other companies on their willingness to support other Microsoft products or ventures, he said.

Hall acknowledged that his proposed remedies are "modest." But, he added, "I think this whole system is gong to work -- and work without strangling Microsoft."


Long time observers of the "air supply" operation who hold with the eye-for-an-eye school of justice would say that strangling Microsoft is a reasonable and appropriate remedy, but nevermind. In this article, 3 out of 5 came down for structural remedies, but I'm dubious myself. A proposal like Hall's may be the best that can be done, the problem with that going in is summarized concisely by a previous player in the effort, one Robert Litan, director of economic studies, Brookings Institution :

While deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department's antitrust division, Litan negotiated the consent decree with Microsoft that resulted from the department's previous antitrust investigation of the company, in 1995. The present case began when the Justice Department charged that Microsoft had violated that 1995 agreement.

Litan now says he believes another conduct remedy of the sort agreed to in 1995 "just invites more lawyering."


And with Bill apparently continuing to act as his own attorney here, where is that going to get us? Anyway, I try to avoid speculating too much these days, we'll see if anything comes up before the "findings of law".

Cheers, Dan.