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To: Carolyn who wrote (6227)	11/14/1999 10:58:00 PM
From: Joana Tides	Respond to of 7442

Dear Friends on Techride, everyone's got different viewpoints from all perspectives, especially when it comes to those magicians who have the power to save lives, Doctors. We all see different angles and arrive at different conclusions, necessarily. There's no Absolute here, no reason to take a stand. Some outstanding Doctors, some terrible Doctors, some Moneygrubbers, some Servants of Humanity, Most Good, Some Bad, same/same as anything. All i know of medicine is Consumerside...got no Insider View of the Matter. What the individual experiences is often very different than the same experience of another individual at another time and place. I had a wonderful Doctor for years; told him when first started that HMO plan & met him, about my misgivings re: HMOs. Asked him what would happen if i or my child became seriously ill and the HMO denied treatment for whatever reason; could i pay for it privately or what?! In all soul-seriousness he looked right in my eyes and said "if they ever didn't approve treatment i'd give it to you regardless and work it out later. When it comes to maintaining health and saving lives; what an accountant at this HMO finds allowable has never gotten in the way of that. And it never will". Believed him 100%, A Lion With The Healing Hands. Thankfully, my daughter and i are in good health with good maintenance so far so good. My daughter's pediatricians have always been great too. But I've also had some Nightmarish experiences with Doctors when my elderly loved ones have been stricken with serious conditions like heart attacks, strokes, seizures, etc. I've seen the worst. How about an unfamiliar Doctor who looks at the patient from the doorway, checks something off on the chart, and then charges (the taxpayers, medicare pays it) a giant fee for 30 seconds of nothing? What was checked off, patient dead or alive? A Standard-Issue Moneygrubber Doc. I've seen medicines prescribed that interacted badly with other medicines as noted right there in the PDR. Once when (my Mother) experienced a very bad effect immediately from new medicine we called and were told "give it a few days". So i went to the library and found her medicines together right there in "Interactions Warnings", called the Doctor myself and tried to be as nice as i could about the way i asked him to prescribe something else. So there i was the next day, back at the library U better believe it. With "Give it a few days" she probably would've died. My Dad's Doctor was great for him til he was at Death's Door after stroke upon stroke. His mind was with him til the end though, he knew what was going on. Dad had signed a Living Will with his Attorney AND the hospital form too, didn't want his life automatically extended by any extreme measures to replace a breakdown of natural functions; standard. I was Medical POA, so his Doctor tried to get me to overturn My Dad's Legal and Re-Affirmed Wishes For Himself (which of course wasn't my place) by the most lowdown rotten repetition of vulturistic psych-guilt-manips anyone could ever imagine to have to endure at such a time. Her latest coursework was in "heart cath", how convenient and BTW mighty profitable too. I had to leave my sweater on the back of his bedside chair with snacks and a magazine there when i went home to care for my daughter - afraid of what might happen if this Doctor knew i wasn't right nearby, be back any minute. Putting such stress on our Family in our last days together was unconscionable but of course she would have had her justifications from her own point of view. She didn't get her way that time, but what about others she'd intimidate more easily; What about them? And does it make me a bad person, not volunteering to assist families to deal with such matters around death, because i'd be competent at it thru my experience then? Give me a break; that's not for me. So Please Dear Techride Friends, let's not argue anymore about Doctors. We've all seen many sides, who hasn't? 909s On Health Love Peace and Happiness, Joan

To: Carolyn who wrote (6227)	11/15/1999 12:54:00 AM
From: Blue Snowshoe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7442

People stop it. FYI, (and another fact you may not want to hear) doctors and their office managers are the cause of much of the new paper work in medicine, not HMOs. The state and federal government is who asks for much of the paper work not the HMO. The state and federal government now requires all this paper work because doctors were ripping off patients and insurance companies. They billed for the wrong test, billed for test they didn't know how to do, for test they couldn't even do is some cases as they had no equipment to do the test. Sounds unbelievable? That is what Congress thought too so they did something about it, it's called paper work. A trail to nail a crook is what it really is. Because of the law suits, HMOs now added more paper work to cover their butts too. Those are the facts not OPINIONS by someone with no experience in what they are talking about. Joanie, We have been here before, I can feel it, I'm sure you do too and that is why you posted what you did. I've had enough. I do not want to go down this road again. I don't need this. So I shall now end this total bull$hit conversation once and for all by saying see ya. Joe I'm not out of line, I'm off-line. Have fun Joe, talk about any OPINION not based in fact you like. Tell anyone you like they are out of line. Then get a mirror take an honest look and change your name to Roger. LOL. later, BLUE