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To: Neocon who wrote (1811)	11/18/1999 12:32:00 AM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

Of course, there is "something for everyone." (Although, here again, I reject your emphasis on the "product" of culture rather than on the "activity" of culture.) It all boils down to a question of taste. The point is that people are not necessarily born with their tastes. In some cases, it has been refined by education, exposure, etc.; in other cases, it has been debased, also by education & exposure (or the lack of both). A good teacher at the right time may make all the difference in an individual's taste. Or a bad teacher at the wrong time. Or a parent who uses the TV for a baby-sitter. Or a parent who throws the TV out of the house. In short, taste is formed partially by temperament & intelligence, partially by environment. Never by law or regulation. If, after all that, Z. still wants to read porno -- be my guest, Z. You also seem to forget that some people can grow up without ever knowing there is anything better than what they are used to seeing & hearing. Such people don't really have a "choice," because they have not been exposed to the full menu, so to speak.

To: Neocon who wrote (1811)	11/18/1999 6:12:00 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

Are we mixing definitions of culture and entertainment? Culture, or cultus means refinement and learning, urbanity and good taste. It also means the folkways of a people. I don't think the different meanings are opposed to one another. Champions of the former meaning seek improvement of the human mind and spirit. T.S. Eliot suggests that high culture consists of a mingling of manners, aesthetic attainment, and intellectual attainment. Eliot goes on to say that a healthy culture is represented at its higher levels by a class or body of persons of remarkable intelligence and taste, leaders in mind and conscience. To borrow a phrase from Edmund Burke, these are the men and women who have been reared in "the unbought grace of life." You, Neo are such a person. As such you have a responsibility as thread guardian to see to it that frivolous and degrading people are kept at bay. It is an Atlas-like task. If you tire of sustaining, let me know and I will assist in the sifting process. Now, if you gotta have a rocker, why in bloody hell is Hendrix not on the list?