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To: Berry Picker who wrote (2206)	11/25/1999 7:48:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4775

So you are saying: 1) all men are commanded by God to repent 2) men don't have free will (i.e. cannot choose) to repent 3) you then use a couple of examples from the Bible of individuals who did choose to repent but whose repentance was not accepted. A material/spiritual cosmos run along these lines would be like a grand video game. The characters (us) created by the programmer (God), can only do what the programmer has programmed them to do. Although the programmer, while interacting with the created characters (i.e. playing the game) may make commands, the characters can only respond according to the way they were programmed and most are fated to get blasted (which is what they were created for). Indeed, the player can choose to blast even those who respond to his commands. Obviously, the command given by the programmer/player that is contrary to a character's programmed response is just a part of the game and not a sincere command. What a strange set of beliefs to hold.

To: Berry Picker who wrote (2206)	11/26/1999 12:18:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

Brian, you posted the following about Esau: Esau who was hated before birth also repented in the flesh: Hebrews 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. Esau desire to be an heir = " he would have " Esau looked for repentance = " he found no place " Esau was sincere = " sought it carefully " Esau was sorry for sin = " with tears " Esau went to hell ( he was hated before he was born ) Esau, you say was hated by God despite his sincere repentance and sorrow for his sin. I don't believe the Bible actually says Esau went to hell. There are a couple of verses which say God hated Esau and loved Jacob and I think you are basing your opinion of Esau on this. IYO, when the Bible uses the term hate, it really means hate, I presume. It wouldn't ever be used hyperbolically to denote relative positions or preference of one over another? For example, when God hates someone or something, he thoroughly hates that person or thing and is bound and determined to destroy it. And when believers are told to hate someone (say the wicked or the world or whoever), they are literally and thoroughly to hate that person. Is this correct?