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To: Berry Picker who wrote (2436)	11/26/1999 5:12:00 PM
From: maouse	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4775

Pointless arguements: I see from the writings that I have been religated to "unworthy" by Brian. (I make this assumption since he has not responded to one post of mine in the last 300 or so). Well it was fun while it lasted. Let's get on with the questioning: 1In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. -a really rightious guy 2He had seven sons and three daughters, 3and he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East. 4His sons used to take turns holding feasts in their homes, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. -a really rightious wealthy guy 5When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would send and have them purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, "Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts." This was Job's regular custom. -who liked to party and then repent 6One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. -can satan come and go to god as he pleases? did it take the angels to bring him? hmmm... just wondering. 7The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it." -didn't god know where he came from? was this just a call to get satan to answer him... ie. make him answer? 8Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil." -the Lord praises Job... who while he shuns evil, the lord does not state he does NO evil... or is this what is meant? 9"Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. -here's that tricky satan guy setting Job up... 10"Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face." -comon' you know all men are evil at heart, hurt him and he'll hurt you... 12The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD. -he he he the fun begins... Hey BV; what did Job chose to do when tortured? please don't tell me he had a choice to serve God and rebuke satan... satan was trying to make it easy for him even... -maouse

To: Berry Picker who wrote (2436)	11/26/1999 11:15:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

Minor note: The verse in Hebrews says "fornicator, OR profane person" not "fornicator AND profane person. I think Esau was used as an example of a profane person not a "fornicator" or a "profane fornicator" as you styled him. On the hatred business, yes, I do think it is impossible to hate someone and love them at the same time. At least I think so. I can't think of anyone I actually hate right now though. I dislike plenty of people and get angry at people occasionally. Some of the people I've been really angry at I probably hated for a short time but that passes. And I think the idea that people should love their enemies and hate their enemies simultaneously (and ditto for unbelieving family members) to be just double talk. I wonder if the fact that you chose to put quotes around the love command but not around hate is significant? Luke 14:26 doesn't say "hate your relatives if they are unbelievers". It says to hate your relatives PERIOD or you can't be a follower of Jesus. Now I don't believe people should hate their families, but should love them. Thus I'd say the "hate" commanded is not meant literally but is hyperbole. Given that, I think people should question whether other uses of the word hate may not be meant literally either.