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To: f.simons who wrote (81273)	11/28/1999 4:56:00 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574430

RE <<<However, if you go past this to the PhD and beyond level, and into the teaching labs and University research resources, she is certainly right. People come from all over the world to study at the graduate and post-graduate level in the US. And to do research in US labs.>>> Do they come because our graduate programs are so outstanding or do they come because once they complete their education, the best opportunities for employment exist here as opposed to their own countries? Further is it not better to get a degree in the world's dominant country in that country's language in order to insure good prospects for employment whether its here or abroad? I think economics has a lot to do with the issue. Furthermore, I can't buy into the notion that our upper level programs are superior vis-a-vis to the rest of the world when the lower levels are not. After all it's the lower levels that feed the upper levels with product (students). So if the students are coming out of less than superior systems, then it is unlikely that their performance suddenly becomes superior once they enter our universities. And if their performance does not elevate, then how can our upper level programs be superior to the rest of the world. Don't get me wrong I think our educational system is better than most and that we have some fine universities. However I do not think we are the best and its this thinking that we are the best that always seems to get us into trouble one way or the other. But I only used education to make an analogy....so there is no reason to belabor the point. ted

To: f.simons who wrote (81273)	11/28/1999 9:15:00 PM
From: Ali Chen	Respond to of 1574430

f.simons OT <if you go past this to the PhD and beyond level, and into the teaching labs and University research resources, she is certainly right.> I am not sure about the area of Law since USA has more lawyers than all other developed countries all toghether, but in natural science and mathematics you and she are wrong. Listen to Ted, he got things right. <I agree with you that the average US kid at the high school level is pretty pathetic compared to a lot of his foreign cohorts.> As Ted said, if the basic school is flawed, there is very few who can carry the flag. If they do not have solid fundamentals and structured knowledge, they remain handicapped forever. Therefore the native Ph.D level can be described as you said above too. Clear examples: Paul, Yousef. <People come from all over the world to study at the graduate and post-graduate level in the US.> Yes, they do come, but already with the level of education you (or some employer) can barely comprehend. Therefore they expedite additional "studies" at American graduate schools just to get a formal "seal of approval" which can be understood by American bureaucracy. <We can all agree that a lot of this comes from foreigners who have chosen to move to the US. But the very fact that so many have chosen to come here proves Mary's point.> No it does not. The correct explanation is that they see bigger career opportunities in America as compared to saturated Europe and wild Asia. If American government would fail to institute some national programs in education, I am not sure if US will sustain its prosperity by continuing to attract the intellectual "crop" from other countries. I also may be wrong since by definition the America is a country of immigrants, so it is just following this initial model, and could do it forever. The only concern with this is that my own kids are destined to be at disadvantage because of the pathetic basic education.