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To: Michael M who wrote (2028)	11/29/1999 10:13:00 PM
From: sandintoes	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 3246

Hugh Heffner? As a woman, I can say he has done more damage to women than any man of this century. If that is what you are going for, then you have succeeded.

To: Michael M who wrote (2028)	11/29/1999 11:02:00 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 3246

Not bad, and I am glad that you took up the gauntlet. I shall reserve comment for now, so that I can ponder a bit more thoroughly......

To: Michael M who wrote (2028)	11/29/1999 11:34:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

Interesting list, Michael. My only comment would be that it is heavily weighted with political types (almost 30 of your 40-odd), plus military men (4 or 5). And most of the political types seem to be there because of their involvement in some war or other. Wars we have always had with us. The only thing that changes from century to century is the degree of their destructiveness. But how many times has a scientist discovered the theory of relativity? (I didn't see Einstein on your list.) And don't you think that the theory of relativity has had more of an impact on the world than, say, the Balfour Declaration?

To: Michael M who wrote (2028)	12/4/1999 9:00:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

You cannot omit Mussolini, who originated the Fascist ideology, and was an inspiration for Hitler. Nor can you omit Trotsky, who arguably saved the Revolution, as the leading strategist in the Civil War, and who was the biggest thorn in Stalin's side. Tojo kept the British in knots in the East, but also awakened the sleeping giant, America. Ho Chi Minh was probably too local, and Mahatma Gandhi had more influence. I do not see how one can ignore Adenauer. I will not over- burden you in one post, so I will get back to you after you have a chance to chew these over......