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To: Jamey who wrote (28271)	11/30/1999 4:20:00 PM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

James, There are fundamental differences between creating something, having sovereignty, and abusing power. My wife and I have created children. We are responsible for them, and in their infancy I guess you could say we have a sort of sovereignty over them. However, at no point during their life, are we inherently better than them, have more value than they do, nor can we ever have the right to abuse them. If you saw a person torturing a child on the street, you would be revulsed and would immediately help that child. You would do everything in your power to see that the moonster who hurt that child received help and/or punishment. either way you would be disgusted. Why do you view that behavior as disgusting in a human, but in a divine nature(which should be more enlightened, not less) you view it as righteous and just? Mark

To: Jamey who wrote (28271)	11/30/1999 9:23:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Hope you don't mind me commenting on your post. ...even a stray molecule could cause God to be a failure if he is not in control of that molecule. Why would God be a failure if he doesn't control everything right down to each single molecule? A failure at what? I know Calvinists stress God's sovereignity and say that God must therefore be in control of everything. But why does sovereignity require total control in the first place? Seems that if God is sovereign, he could just as well limit his control as exercise it. Next: Why did God permit Adam and Eve to sin? Doesn't Calvinism hold that God didn't just allow it ("allow" actually sounds Arminian), he fore-ordained it? Continuing: ...I have perfect freedom... Logically, how can you have perfect freedom if God controls everything in the universe right down to each molecule? Isn't free will an illusion as I think Luther said? Are you sure you're a Calvinist? ÿ