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Pastimes : A CENTURY OF LIONS/THE 20TH CENTURY TOP 100 -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (2084)	12/3/1999 2:15:00 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

Decided to leave Chesterton off, eh? Is Alan Watts that Zen guy?

To: Neocon who wrote (2084)	12/3/1999 2:49:00 PM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

Hi Neo! Re. your latest list-- Actually a generic sort of query. What is the determinant for inclusion on your list? Benefit to maximum number of people.....adjusting the course of human activity.....interesting us.....entertaining us.....??? In my view, if you took a global poll with a broad adult demographic, I doubt half the respondents could provide even a crude one line identifier for half the nominees. Ungrateful wretches! I am curious your rationale for elevation of many to top 100 status. Allow me to ask about just a few. LINDBERGH -- To my thinking; the original 20th century "celebrity". No more deserving than, say, Evil Knievel, IMO. In the field of aviation, I might rank Billy Mitchell or Jimmy Doolittle ahead of Lindbergh. THATCHER -- Love her, BUT. How would the world outside the UK have been different without her? SOLZHENITSYN -- How much did he tell interested people that they did not already know? How many minds did he change? How would the world have been diminished without him? Not trying to pick on you, Neo. I think 100 is too many. Back to work..... Mike

To: Neocon who wrote (2084)	12/3/1999 10:58:00 PM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3246

As you know, Neo, I've thought 100 was too large a number for a list of 20th century superworthies. No doubt there are many more than that number, but, by allowing so many on the list, there seems a quota effect of types has crept in. The solution may be to take in the entire millennium. Plenty of movers and shakers present themselves. No doubt there's another thread for just this project, but I'm in no mood to meet new people this evening. A VERY hasty starter list follows. Feel free to add or subtract if outraged or overcome by boredom, as the case may be. BTW, this household agreed instantly and independently on who should have the title, Mr. Millennium. Aside from that, I have made no real attempt to rank the names -- #1 Henry VIII Kublai Khan Genghis Khan Alp Arslan Saladin Mohammed II Suleiman I Tamerlane King Sobieski William I (the Conqueror) Lorenzo de' Medici Thomas More Erasmus Machiavelli Peter the Great Ferdinand and Isabella Louis XIV Newton John Locke Thomas Jefferson Aquinas Copernicus Galileo Luther Ignatius Loyola Elizabeth I Francis Drake Columbus Capt James Cook Henry the Navigator Shakespeare Dante Alighieri Charles von Gerhardt Freud Pasteur Francois Breda Cromwell Victoria Otto von Bismark Maria Theresa Ben Franklin Abe Lincoln U.S. Grant Napolean Charles V Clement VII Leonardo da Vinci Michelangelo Gutenberg Karl Marx Haile Selassi Pease add others that appeal as they come to mind, plus some from the various lists of 2Oth century rabble. Later - Mike