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To: Grainne who wrote (65057)	12/4/1999 11:46:00 AM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, I got up at 4am at the age of 10 to deliver the Washington Post as a child. And cleaned apartment toilets and sinks at 12. Do you consider that "exploiting child labor"? My point is, those kind of "catch phrases" have a great emotional charge to them, but unless you get specific they're meaningless. Michael

To: Grainne who wrote (65057)	12/4/1999 12:01:00 PM
From: coug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Good morning Christine, I have mixed emotions on the Starbucks/Walmart issue. By having centralized shopping there is less environmental degradation.. by having people wasting energy chasing around towns to a myriad of small businesses, there is a tremendous energy saving. I feel for the small business person but we have a DYNAMIC social structure and we have to CHANGE with the times...Now if they just cut down on vast paved parking sites to handle that once a year Xmas rush, we would do well. BTW, we like Costco because it is basically ONE STOP shopping from food to tires.. A modern day equivalent of an old general store. This theme also goes to high rise developments. I know a lot of places don't like it because it destroys character BUT it cuts down on SPRAWL in this age of ever increasing population.. So IMO, I would rather have a lack of "city character" and more presrved wildness.. Built up, Not out. Since chains are inevitable, I would rather have SBUX come in with a social conscious towards all their workers than someone else.. Now if they would cut down drive thru windows, so all the "not so hip" would walk up and not idle away X gallons of gas to get one little cup of coffee, we would be better off. coug

To: Grainne who wrote (65057)	12/4/1999 12:52:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I hate to respond to posts that say, "could you tell me where I said that?", and as a rule, I don't. I definitely don't do it for people I don't like, but I like you, so I will point out for you where you made what appears to be a mistake in your argument, as you don't seem to have meant what you said. You didn't say multinational corporations "were the only hindrance to development", but what you said is grammatically tantamount to it. You said "the reason" (your words) that countries don't develop with protection "for workers, fair wages, abolishment of child labor, universal education, and environmental protections" is "pure greed by huge multinational corporations to make maximum profit with no consideration at all of human rights". You didn't say "one reason", or "the main reason" or even "a reason," you said "the reason." "The reason" is one reason. One reason is an only reason. If you mean "a reason" or "the main reason" then it's probably safer to use a different phrase. At least it's easier on the readers, who assume you meant what you said. >>>>>the fact is that countries COULD develop with protections for workers, fair wages, abolishment of child labor, universal education, and environmental protections. The reason they are not right now is not because it is impossible, but because pure greed by huge multinational corporations to make maximum profit with no consideration at all of human rights, etc. is the governing force at play.<<<<<