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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (65609)	12/6/1999 7:15:00 PM
From: jbe	Respond to of 108807

Or, "we will waste them all in the toilet," as the firm-jawed Premier Putin once said (to loud applause, of course)... Lizzie, I am touched to see that you took notice of this absolutely disgraceful announcement, and saw fit to post it... And if you have any taste for grim humor, here are a few nuggets: 1)General Valery Manilov, Deputy Chief of the General Staff, denied today that the Russians had issued the civilian residents of Grozny an ultimatum. Dropping the flyers (warning that anyone who didn't leave the city by Dec. 11 would be considered "a bandit and a terrorist" and would be "destroyed") wasn't an ultimatum, he protested, but "a way of applying psychological pressure, a humane act." (Spare me such humanity!) 2) General Manilov said there were only a "few thousand" civilians left in Grozny anyway. although most estimates (including those from official Russian sources) place the number of civilians there right now at from 40,000 to 50,000. 3) The bulk of the civilians still remaining in Grozny are probably not even Chechens, but ethnic Russians. Before the 1994 war,Grozny was a heavily Russian city, so ethnic Russians took the brunt of the Russian bombing of the city in that war, too. The ones that are left now are mostly solitary old retirees, with no place to go, and no money or energy to get there, anyway. So there you have the "bandits & terrorists" who will probably still be in the city after the Dec. 11 deadline... Joan

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (65609)	12/6/1999 7:20:00 PM
From: James R. Barrett	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

"I heard on NPR that the Russians are dropping leaflets that essentially say that the Chechnyans have to leave Grozny immediately or die. What's wrong with that? Didn't we say the same thing to the Serbs in Kosovo? Eighty percent of NATO's targets were civilian targets. ie. power plants, roads, bridges hundreds of miles away from Serb troops, nursing homes, cigarette and car factories, buses, water pumping stations, civilian trains......... All the Chechnyans have to do is turn over the Muslim terrorists to the Russians and the Russians will go home.