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To: DownSouth who wrote (1765)	12/7/1999 9:22:00 AM
From: mthomas	Respond to of 10934

My premise almost precisely. Yes, the technological development aspect of FC is so rapidly altered that unless I were directly hooked into the industry I would not feel comfortable investing. For this reason I do not invest into chips, just because I do not know what will come up tomorrow. When dealing with the application of such technology I feel I have a better business model to predict performance over a longer term. The storage market is a huge buffer against instant disruption for any single player, and those players that are demonstrating superior technology and good business acumen will perform well. I see NTAP and EMC as the dominant positions, with NTAP commanding the technological premium for innovation and evolution. FC is big, and will stay big, but tomorrow can bring a new prince. Storage is safer for me, and still has huge potential. Good luck. Martin Thomas

To: DownSouth who wrote (1765)	12/7/1999 10:33:00 AM
From: DownSouth	Respond to of 10934

Thread, I am so glad to see some new faces here. Martin and Lucius are having a great discussion!

To: DownSouth who wrote (1765)	12/7/1999 10:06:00 PM
From: mthomas	Respond to of 10934

The following info is cut and paste from several emails to Gigabit Ethernet Alliance in an attempt to clear up the 10 Gigabit Ethernet picture. From this person Bob Grow the information is he has not heard of the 10GbE connection being deployed, but GbE has been deployed on a 1000km Canadian network. The supplemental info on the standards and interoperability is germane and timely, and may help some of us make some decisions re the FC (fibre channel) issue and NAS // SAN market development. Martin Thomas<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> FROM: Bob Grow Vice Chair, Technical Liaison Gigabit Ethernet Alliance > >I have heard about Canarie running a 1000 km GbE link somewhere in Canada, >but this is the first I have heard about a 10GbE link. In the 802.3 >committee, there is significant interest in carrying 10GbE on OC-192 links >(anticipated payload is 9.584640 Gb/s). One objective of the proposed >standard is to support this application. If it isn't being done now, I would >not be surprised to see it done soon as a feasibility proof. There are >multiple proposed mappings of Ethernet frames onto SONET links (scrambling, >HDLC-like bit stuffing, 64b/66b, etc.), so at present interoperability is >suspect. That should improve once there is a first draft of 802.3ae (target >of Sept 2000). > >Similarly, there will be multiple prototypes of 10GbE appearing soon for the >LAN (or dark fiber) market. There are even more proposed ways of doing >this, so just like the WAN versions, the LAN options will need to be sorted >out during development of the standard. > >--Bob > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Martin Thomas [mailto:mthomas666@email.msn.com] >Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:51 AM >To: Grow, Bob >Subject: Re: [gigabit.webmaster]: Information available? > > >Apologize for the error, had storage networks on my mind. I am trying to >verify the potential for increased bandwidth available for NAS by use of 10 >Gigabit Ethernet. I heard that Canarie next generation IP network had >deployed said 10 Gigabit Ethernet. Certainly appreciate your >response....... >Martin Thomas > >-----Original Message----- >From: Grow, Bob <bob.grow@intel.com> >To: 'Martin Thomas' <mthomas666@email.msn.com>; >gigabit.webmaster@whitehorsestudios.com ><gigabit.webmaster@whitehorsestudios.com> >Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:36 AM >Subject: RE: [gigabit.webmaster]: Information available? > >10 Gigabit Ethernet technical work is progressing in the Higher Speed Study Group of IEEE 802.3. I know of no deployment of Ethernet running at this speed. A standards development project is expected to be approved at the January 2000 NESCOM meeting. Like Gigabit Ethernet, the standard would be a suppliment to the base IEEE 802.3 document that includes specifications for all speeds of ethernet operation. Presentions and minutes of the study group are available from the IEEE 802.3 home page: grouper.ieee.org. Bob Grow Vice Chair, Technical Liaison Gigabit Ethernet Alliance > > >