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To: SKIP PAUL who wrote (53020)	12/7/1999 9:20:00 PM
From: Bux	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

Which will be the less expensive migration path for carriers in Europe: 1. GSM to GPRS/EDGE to WCDMA 2. GSM to GSM-CDMA overlay to CDMA2000 The GPRS/EDGE route has some advantages going for it that make it the current hot favorite. 1) Carriers could realize extra revenue by charging for the "pocket warmer" feature. 2) Churn rates in the winter would be reduced. 3) Batteries would wear out quickly creating a lot of repeat sales in the accessory department. 4) By incorporating a thick steel antenna/heatsink, beverages could be warmed quickly. 5) Built-in seal-a-meal. 6) Wounds could be quickly cauterized in a remote location. 7) Antenna/heatsink could double as a lock de-icer. 8) Reduced incidence of frostbite of the ear-lobe. 9) Antenna/heatsink doubles as a hot dog cooker. 10) Emergency fire starter. Bux

To: SKIP PAUL who wrote (53020)	12/7/1999 9:55:00 PM
From: w molloy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

Which will be the less expensive migration path for carriers in Europe: 1. GSM to GPRS/EDGE to WCDMA ???? GPRS/EDGE are data standards. 2. GSM to GSM-CDMA overlay to CDMA2000 The step to CDMA2000 won't happen. w.

To: SKIP PAUL who wrote (53020)	12/7/1999 10:20:00 PM
From: UncleBeester	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

Skip, Per a presentation at the CDMA Americas Congress last week, it was stated that sadly as it is, operators in Europe are not being driven by cost. To them, it is not the least expensive migration path, but the technology of choice being provided by the vendors that will dictate their technology roadmap. The market in Europe, it was presented, it driven by vendors and not by operators needs. This is how and why there is such a big push for for GPRS, and then EDGE--more infrastructure equipment will be sold by the vendors--the drivers of the technology. And the operators go along with the vendors and justify the cost by keeping "home grown" mentality (built in our own country, etc)--regardless of cost effectiveness. This is probably why we saw the announcement yesterday that Vodofone Airtouch will be rolling out GPRS in one of their European markets in the near future. Sad as it is, this is just the way the culture is in that region. I am personally hoping that when new spectrum is auctioned off in Europe, we can get some backers of CDMA2000 to buy that spectrum, roll out CDMA2000, then put the local operators at a signifcant cost disadvantage. Then, at that time, maybe they will be forced to reconder. But then again, to reconsider would be to admit defeat, and that just won't happen with that culture. Interesting angle, no? Regards, Jeff

To: SKIP PAUL who wrote (53020)	12/8/1999 3:21:00 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 152472

EDGE and W-CDMA are figments of the GSM Guild's imagination. W-CDMA remains in the vapourwear category though it's increasingly looking like a refugee from the cdma2000 clonezone. So you can forget about that trajectory to the future. GSM to HDR or cdma2000 are much more likely. While HDR and cdma2000 are still in the 'inventing process' and the uneducated might call them vapourware too, they are being produced by the only company which has successfully produced the range of CDMA products [thought the infrastructure division wasn't profitable]. So, place your bets knowing that Q! can and the GSM Guild can't. Mq