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To: gdichaz who wrote (12404)	12/8/1999 11:45:00 AM
From: Murrey Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

gd...SUNW scares me where it is right now. JMO

To: gdichaz who wrote (12404)	12/8/1999 3:05:00 PM
From: pann1128	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

cha2, This is why it is so absurd to think of Sun Micro and Microsoft as business rivals.They make there money in entirely different ways, Sun from hardward and Microsoft from software (and miscellaneous new partnership and other - almost banking - ventures). I don't think this is true. Sun sells hardware and software. They view the Solaris as serious competition to NT. So does Microsoft. If NT takes more of the server market, it does erode Sun's market. What has helped Sun hold it's own is that the NT is relatively unstable, and companies needing almost 24x7 uptime prefer Sun. Especially webservers, which have been a huge growth area for Sun. Also, as Mike said, they did attempt to make money off of Java. They spent considerable resources trying to make a Java processor. That effort is now defunct. However, Java helped them sell more servers because it gave Sun name recognition. Java and the MSFT spat raised their profile enough to easily beat out the other UNIX vendors (HP, IBM, SGI). Not to say that was the only reason, but it helped. Just to relate an interesting story, I was touring the facilities at EXDS a few months ago. They have these rows of webservers housed in "cages". There was a whole row of these servers with the faceplate removed, so you could see the insides. Being curious, I asked about it. They said that was the Hotmail servers (now owned by MSFT). They did not want anyone to know that they were Sun servers. Apparently they tried to switch to NT, but the attempt was disastrous. I don't recall seeing a single NT box in there, be it for Yahoo, Lycos or whatever. Cheers, Piyush