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To: IngotWeTrust who wrote (45857)12/10/1999 10:19:00 AM
From: average joe  Respond to of 116762
 
If you've been proving this thing up since the 1860's you better keep your gold specimens. A respectable placer miner could tell you exactly how much Au he/she anticipates per cubic/metre of material. Keep yipping and yapping, you're purdy good at it.

average joe



To: IngotWeTrust who wrote (45857)12/10/1999 9:52:00 PM
From: d:oug  Respond to of 116762
 
ole 49r, you are confusing me to what the status is for the GATA request
for Internet Email Action to the Congress and Senate of the U.S.A.

If as you suggest, that anyone who responded to the GATA request to take
their own action to identify to their elected officials in the House and
Senate of their concern, that they have been denied the message from
receiving the designated person because of our governments inability to
receive in the same day a number of e-mail request greater than a small
number, then please let us on this thread suggest a work around so that
the wishes of the American people can be heard as regards the gold issues.

I suggest each concerned person obtain the telephone number for their
Congressional represenative thru their home zip code, at the following
web site, and ask if their opinion was received or discarded unread.

vote-smart.org

Also, the following new web site seems to be very well received by the
American people and noticed by the news media. I suggest that this
web site be informed also that a gold concern is present in America.

vote.com

The Gold-Anti Trust Action Committee asked for the answers to
11 specific questions from the U.S. Federal Reserve and Treasury
pertaining to the orchestration of the gold market.

GATA hopes that all those interested in free markets will alert
their Congressmen and Senators to the open letter to Greenspan
and Summers in Roll Call.

Congress webslingerz.com

Senate earthlaw.org

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

Here's the text of GATA's two-page advertisement to be published
Thursday, December 9, in Roll Call, the weekly newspaper that
covers the Congress of the United States and is considered the
best-read publication at the U.S. Capitol.

We're very excited about this, hopeful of making a big impact and
mobilizing the gold industry and gold's friends, and deeply grateful
to those whose financial contributions have helped to make this possible.

Once the ad is published, we will call on gold's friends everywhere
to ask members of Congress to ensure that GATA's questions are answered.

GATA is fighting for the gold cause.

If you haven't joined us yet, please do.

Gold's enemies won't stop until gold fights back, and they are confident
that they have intimidated the whole industry and even the countries
whose livelihoods depend on gold.

Let's prove them wrong.

Chris Powell, Secretary
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.

The open letter is located at www.gata.org under "What's New."

An Open Letter
to Allan Greenspan Chairman, Federal Reserve System
and Lawrence Summers Secretary of the Treasury

What Are You Doing With America's Gold?

Dear Chairman Greenspan and Secretary Summers:

On July 24, 1998, before the House Banking Committee, and six days later
before the Senate Agricultural Committee, Chairman Greenspan made the
following statement: "Central banks stand ready to lease gold in
increasing quantities should the price rise."

Ever since that comment was made, there has been a growing controversy
about whether the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department have been
actively involved in the gold market. There has been speculation that
the U.S. government, through your agencies, has been seeking to lower
the gold price to rescue certain financial interests, much as the Fed
orchestrated the rescue of Long-Term Capital Management last year.
Aggressive bullion dealers, hedge funds doing the gold "carry trade,"
and unwise price speculation disguised as hedging by gold mining
companies are most frequently cited as the beneficiaries of this
government intervention in the gold price. As with LTCM, there is
concern about severe risk to the world financial system, this time
because of irresponsible gold lending policies of central banks.

The gold controversy reached the floor of the British Parliament last
June 16, after the Bank of England announced plans to sell 415 tons of
its gold:

"We cannot allow these rumors to grow, because they are extremely
dangerous to public confidence. It has been suggested that the market
is very short of gold, that the short positions may be a substantial
multiple of the total amount of gold currently held by the Bank of
England, and that the bank's real motive is to save the bacon of firms
that are running those short positions. If such a suggestion is being
made seriously, it must be dealt with authoritatively and definitively,
and we want an answer from the government now. ? Quentin Davies, Member
of Parliament"

The Bank of England's announcement collapsed the price of gold from $290
to $252 per ounce. But when, on September 26, fifteen European central
banks announced that they would restrict their gold sales and gold
lending for the next five years, the gold price soared to $337.
Word spread that the bullion banks were panicking again.

As if right on cue but in uncharacteristic fashion, the government of
Kuwait then announced it was depositing its 79 tons of gold with the
Bank of England for lending purposes. There was speculation that the
New York Federal Reserve Bank was using all means at its disposal to
push the gold price down to accommodate the financial interests that
were short gold.

The Question Demands An Answer: Is the government of the United States
intervening in the gold market and, if so, why? Chairman Greenspan, we
will take you at your own word that you are intervening in the gold
market as you said you would if the price rose.

The Federal Reserve Bank's Open Market Committee may have the authority
to deal in gold coin and bullion, but all purchases and sales, according
to 12 USC 263-359, "shall be governed with a view to accommodating
commerce and business."

If, rather, the Federal Reserve Bank or the Treasury Department is
depressing the gold price in order to help various and numerous gold
short sellers, it is a clear and illegal violation of the bank's purpose
clause. The government's intervening to help one side over another in a
private contract is illegal, fraudulent and unconstitutional. For the
U.S. central bank to use its powers to benefit one class of citizens to
the harm of another class of Americans is a gross violation of the
Constitution's equal protection clause.

If the Federal Reserve intervened in the gold market after the October
price rise as you said you were prepared to do, it was not to
accommodate commerce and business, but to accommodate one half of the
parties to a private contract who had shorted gold. The other half of
the parties to this same contract who bought gold were cheated and
deprived of a fair market price, denied the equal protection of the law
and cheated of profit potential. It would be an illegal and fraudulent
act that was perpetrated by bankers who are unelected bureaucrats
reigning like tyrants without legal or political supervision.

The manipulation of the gold market has caused irreparable harm to
gold owners, gold companies and gold miners as well as all Americans.
It destroyed a free market, depressed the fair value for an important
financial asset, distorted the value of gold companies on the New York
and American Stock Exchanges and decreased the value of its own and
America's gold assets. The Fed's price fixing action should be
investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity
Futures Trading Commission. Indeed, the SEC should be concerned that
both the gold market and the stock market generally may be constantly
manipulated now by surreptitious government intervention. Whatever the
policy and practices of the Fed and the Treasury Department are in these
respects, this is a matter of the most profound public policy and it
should be a matter of public record.

TO CLEAR UP THIS MATTER, THE GOLD ANTI-TRUST ACTION COMMITTEE WANTS
THE ANSWERS TO THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:

1. Does the Federal Reserve or the Treasury Department, either on their
own behalf or on behalf of others, including other government agencies,
such as the Exchange Stabilization Fund, lend gold or silver, facilitate
the lending of gold and silver, or trade in any securities, such as
futures contracts and call and put options, involving gold and silver?

2. If the Fed or the Treasury Department do lend these precious metals,
do they do so only on a swap or repurchase arrangement basis, or do they
also lend unsecured?

3. What are the credit criteria that a potential borrower needs to
establish with the Fed or the Treasury?

4. What credit limits are applied to borrowers? How do they vary between
secured/swap lending and unsecured lending?

5. How often are counterparty positions marked to market in these transactions?

6. What happens if market price movements cause the credit limits to be exceeded?

7. Does the Fed or the Treasury have any counterparty credit utilizations
in excess of 90 percent of the limit?

8. Have any precious metal-related credit limits been amended other than
in credit limit reviews in the normal course of business?

9. Do the Fed or the Treasury Department or any other government agency
ever own or deal in derivatives that are connected with precious metals?
Do any of these agencies write call options against the Treasury's or
Federal Reserve's gold holdings, or write naked call options?

10. Do the above-mentioned credit limits and mark-to-market provisions
apply to derivatives as well?

11. Have the Fed, the Treasury, or any other government agency,
either directly or through their management of foreign custody accounts,
collaborated with the Bank for International Settlements, the Bank of
England, or any other central bank with a view to managing, smoothing,
or otherwise affecting the market price of gold?

There is also great concern that U.S. gold reserves have been lent or
sold. Those gold reserves are a great national financial asset, yet they
have not been audited officially since the Eisenhower Administration.
So in addition to answering the above questions, we ask you to arrange
an independent audit so that the country may be assured that its gold
remains in public hands.

Bill Murphy
CHAIRMAN
LePatron@LeMetropoleCafe.com
Chris Powell
SECRETARY/TREASURER
GATAComm@aol.com
Ethan B. Stroud
Attorney at law, formerly Justice
Department, Treasury Department
John R. Feather
Attorney at law, formerly legal staff,
Federal Reserve Bank

GOLD ANTI-TRUST ACTION COMMITTEE, INC.
Suite 1203, 4718 Cole Avenue,
Dallas, Texas 75205
www.gata.org

Copyright (C) 1999ÿ All rights reserved.

For new readers, the above mention of GATA is as follows.

Bill Murphy, Chairman, Gold Anti Trust Action (GATA) gata.org

Also, GATA related articles can be obtained at the pay for view site.

Bill Murphy, Le Patron, Le Metropole Cafe lemetropolecafe.com