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To: BxK who wrote (17420)12/10/1999 10:38:00 PM
From: BxK  Respond to of 42804
 
On valuation and role of analysts:

<<At Ciena, Valuation Talk Is All Relative
By Kevin Petrie
Staff Reporter
12/10/99 8:08 PM ET

Thanks to a fashionable new method of comparing richly valued stocks, Ciena (CIEN:Nasdaq) shareholders today find themselves several billion dollars richer than they were just last month.

After shriveling last year under the weight of a failed merger with Tellabs (TLAB:Nasdaq) and the onset of competition from large suppliers, Ciena stock has quintupled this year, jumping 64% since Dec. 1 alone. On Friday, Ciena beat profit expectations, pushing its stock up 10 5/16, or 17%, to 71 7/8.

Bulls -- and they are many -- note that Ciena has shored up its business by broadening its customer list, upgrading products and acquiring builders of more advanced fiber-optic technology. But more than management, technology or market position, Ciena owes its stubborn rise to a risky, self-perpetuating mindset among analysts and investors in today's bull market: relative valuations.

Apples, Oranges and Pomegranates
By this thinking, Ciena shares are undervalued because other optical suppliers have fetched greater price tags. For example, Cerent, an optical start-up with $10 million in total reported sales, fetched a juicy $7 billion price tag when it was acquired by Cisco (CSCO:Nasdaq). Sycamore Networks (SCMR:Nasdaq), equally unproven, has achieved a market value of $18 billion since issuing stock in October. According to this paradigm, Ciena's $9.8 billion market cap, coming as it does on latest-year sales of $482 million, is meager by comparison.

"We believe Ciena shares should trade at a valuation more in line with some of the other highflying optical-equipment manufacturers," wrote Steve Levy, equity analyst with Lehman Brothers, in a research note Thursday. Levy upgraded Ciena to buy, setting a price target of 110, or 13 times the revenue he expects in 2000.

"If you believe as we do that Ciena has next-generation technology, then you should be buying it," says Jeff Diecidue, portfolio manager with Unicom Capital, who wouldn't say what stocks his firm owns. The rising trend in optical stocks "argues for a higher valuation for Ciena."

Nuts and Berries
Ciena launched itself into Sycamore's optical sphere this year by committing about $1 billion in stock to buy privately held Omnia Communications and Lightera Networks. In a conference call Friday, Ciena CEO Patrick Nettles said he is "still comfortable" that these units will add $50 million to $100 million to Ciena's revenue in the fiscal year ending in October 2000. For that year, analysts are looking for revenue of about $700 million.

But technology aside, other professionals see trouble in the comparative approach.

"Analysts are starting to get more and more into this type of analysis," says Barry Hyman, chief market strategist with Ehrenkrantz King Nussbaum, a money manager in New York with no positions in Ciena. They "have to stretch their rubber band a little more to reach their expanded objectives."

Rising stocks just prompt the pros to "go back to the office, give the old metrics machine another few cranks and produce another price target," says Bill Meehan, chief market analyst with Cantor Fitzgerald.

"'Relative' is Wall Street's favorite word," Meehan continues. "It's not uncommon to hear people say, 'Well, relative to a Yahoo! (YHOO:Nasdaq), Microsoft (MSFT:Nasdaq) is dirt cheap.'" Meehan has no positions in the stocks discussed.

Show and Tell
Even the fundamental story's a bit of a hard sell at these levels. Friday's profit report mostly served to confirm Wall Street's already bullish expectations. Late Friday, no analysts had raised their estimates with First Call/Thomson Financial. The mean profit estimate is 51 cents per share in the fiscal year ending in October 2000, compared with 3 cents a share excluding charges in fiscal 1999.

In recent months, investors have crammed all the optimism they can into the stock prices of companies such as Sycamore and Ciena, which promise to help telephone carriers and ISPs ease traffic bottlenecks with systems that cram lightwaves into glass fibers. Levy finds Sycamore, for example, "fairly valued" at 230, or about 144 times his 2000 revenue forecast -- even though he expects Sycamore to show its first penny of profits, and it'll be just a penny per share, in the fourth quarter of 2000. (Levy rates Sycamore hold, and his firm underwrote Sycamore's offering but has no banking ties to Ciena.) He couldn't be reached for comment Friday.

But comparisons aside, skeptical observers keep coming back to one thing. "The businesses don't change that rapidly," says Meehan. Rather, "the metrics change." >>

thestreet.com



To: BxK who wrote (17420)12/10/1999 10:40:00 PM
From: candleLight  Respond to of 42804
 
Another 5+ day with no PR! Last time it was from 22 to 27 with no PR either. No news must not be bad news.



To: BxK who wrote (17420)12/11/1999 8:41:00 AM
From: BxK  Respond to of 42804
 
Reason for rise: OPTICS - Part I

<<11/13/1999 2:15 pm EST>>
messages.yahoo.com

<<December 9, 4:19 pm>>
biz.yahoo.com

<<12/9/1999 5:07 pm EST>> thread wakes up, start here then follow the thread:
messages.yahoo.com

<<Dec 9 1999 5:25PM>> new thread appears:
Subject 32172

<<Dec 10 1999 7:48AM>> another new thread appears:
Subject 32178

<<Dec 10, 1999 6:30AM-4:00PM>>
SPLI up 66% on high volume on plans to refocus their laser business on
optics and the telecom industry:
finance.yahoo.com

<<Dec 10, 1999 2:00PM-4::00PM>>
MRVC and ORTL up sharply to new highs on high volume!

I did not notice MRVC being mentioned in any of the SI or Yahoo posts above; ORTL was mentioned once. I don't know specifically what caused interest in optics to spread to ORTL and MRVC at 2:00PM, but my guess is that's what happened.



To: BxK who wrote (17420)12/11/1999 9:34:00 AM
From: BxK  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42804
 
Reason for rise: OPTICS - Part II

It's amazing that a stock (SPLI) can add 65% to their market cap.(in one day) on the basis of being "poised", having "intent" and "might emerge" as a player in optical components, modules etc. for the telecom industry. I'm glad some interest spilled over to MRVC but I rather see it develop on the basis of a complete understanding of what MRV's Optical Access Inc. is doing.

OA concentrates on the high-end active component side of the business and has been in the business over 10 years. After Marconi, CSCO is the second largest customer of OA. The only company that can match their capabilities is HP. SDLI has some active components as does ORTL. The Uniphase part of JDSU does not. I forgot to ask about ETEK. This was told to us by Khalid (Ken) Ahmad, General Manager of OA last Friday after touring the new OA facility and during the walk to the MRV campus a block away.

By the way, during the walk to the campus I introduced myself to a fellow (trying to find other SIers) who turned out to be from Van Kasper, San Francisco. I guess we can expect an updated report soon, especially with the $40 target now history.

To all, please post all you know about optics and OA (and how this fits into the rest of the MRV product line like Fiber Driver). The world deserves to know. Interest seems rather high on this topic right now. <g>