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To: Neocon who wrote (66182)	12/12/1999 1:04:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Spanking can be grounds for government intervention to protect the best interests of the child, depending on the circumstances. Hitting a child with an object, such as a belt, or striking a child on the face, will certainly get you into the juvenile court in Fairfax. So will striking a child in public. Spanking a child so hard as to leave a mark will, too. There are six judges on the Fairfax Juvenile Court bench, and each of them will find you guilty of child abuse if you do any of the preceeding, including the conservative Republicans.

To: Neocon who wrote (66182)	12/12/1999 1:09:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Well, we disagree. I think that it is you who are having difficulty responding to the sequence of points, but suspect we will never agree on this. The government has an interest in interfering with pathological family relationships in order to protect society from damaged people who sap its resources and become prey. I am an advocate of increased rights for children, including the right not to be injured physically or emotionally by larger, more powerful people. I guess I could ask a question which is to me more to the point--why on earth should people who think like you assume that they have the inherent right to hurt children? Perhaps if you answered that I would understand your position better. As I reported in a previous post, Sweden made spanking illegal in 1979. The percentage of child deaths attributable to child abuse then went from 18% at that time to zero percent now. Not only that, but since spanking is learned behavior, the society in the future will be all the healthier for it. Is there something wrong with that? I think it is just wonderful. Parents still have all their rights except the right to hurt their children, which I don't believe should be a parental right in the first place. On what grounds do you believe they do?

To: Neocon who wrote (66182)	12/12/1999 1:14:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Here is one from the American Academy of Pediatrics (you remember them, they are in favor of breast-feeding;^) ): "Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that parents be encouraged and assisted in the development of methods other than spanking for managing undesired behavior." >>>>>Pediatrics 1998 Apr;101(4 Pt 1):723-8 Published erratum appears in Pediatrics 1998 Aug;102(2 Pt 1):433 Guidance for effective discipline. American Academy of Pediatrics. Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health. Stein MT, Perrin EL When advising families about discipline strategies, pediatricians should use a comprehensive approach that includes consideration of the parent-child relationship, reinforcement of desired behaviors, and consequences for negative behaviors. Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that parents be encouraged and assisted in the development of methods other than spanking for managing undesired behavior<<<<<.

To: Neocon who wrote (66182)	12/12/1999 1:18:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Here's one that finds a direct correlation between spanking and anti-social behavior: >>>>>Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med 1997 Aug;151(8):761-7 Spanking by parents and subsequent antisocial behavior of children. Straus MA, Sugarman DB, Giles-Sims J Family Research Laboratory, University of New Hampshire, Durham, USA. OBJECTIVE: To deal with the causal relationship between corporal punishment and antisocial behavior (ASB) by considering the level of ASB of the child at the start of the study. METHODS: Data from interviews with a national sample of 807 mothers of children aged 6 to 9 years in the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth-Child Supplement. Analysis of variance was used to test the hypothesis that when parents use corporal punishment to correct ASB, it increases subsequent ASB. The analysis controlled for the level of ASB at the start of the study, family socio-economic status, sex of the child, and the extent to which the home provided emotional support and cognitive stimulation. RESULTS: Forty-four percent of the mothers reported spanking their children during the week prior to the study and they spanked them an average of 2.1 times that week. The more spanking at the start of the period, the higher the level of ASB 2 years later. The change is unlikely to be owing to the child's tendency toward ASB or to confounding with demographic characteristics or with parental deficiency in other key aspects of socialization because those variables were statistically controlled. CONCLUSIONS: When parents use corporal punishment to reduce ASB, the long-term effect tends to be the opposite. The findings suggest that if parents replace corporal punishment by nonviolent modes of discipline, it could reduce the risk of ASB among children and reduce the level of violence in American society.<<<<<