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To: Neocon who wrote (66422)	12/13/1999 10:31:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I think the Swedish experience of a drop to 0 deaths from child abuse is extremely strong evidence. Deaths in America due to child abuse are shockingly high. Before we start worrying about the unborn maybe we should worry about the already born. I think there are some here that would intrude into a woman's body to force her to carry a child- it seems much less intrusive to merely insist one does not hit already born children- and thus perhaps substantially reduce deaths due to child abuse.

To: Neocon who wrote (66422)	12/13/1999 10:33:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Ah, but the government already "interferes" with family life, by banning wife-beating, and husband-beating. Can it be such an unimaginable step for government to ban corporal punishment of children? After all, children are far more likely to be harmed by corporal punishment - it's one of the most common causes of injury and death in children. Are you sure you aren't just attempting to justify your own actions? You've already posted that you spank your adolescent son, on DAR, haven't you? Or do I remember incorrectly? Here's another study for you ~ X will be interested in this one, too, temper tantrums are correlated, not only with corporal punishment, but exclusive care by the mother. J Dev Behav Pediatr 1991 Apr;12(2):77-83 Psychosocial correlates of severe temper tantrums. Needlman R, Stevenson J, Zuckerman B Department of Pediatrics, Boston City Hospital, MA 02118. Temper tantrums are common and distressing, but little epidemiological information is available about them. Attempts to identify psychosocial correlates of tantrums have used small samples and have not controlled for multiple concurrent behavior problems. We analyzed interviews from 502 English mothers of 3-year-olds. Tantrums were considered present if mothers reported tantrums three or more times a day or lasting 15 minutes or longer. Behavior problems were assessed using the Behavior Screening Questionnaire. Tantrums were reported in 6.8% of children, of whom 52% had multiple behavior problems. Factors independently associated with tantrums included maternal depression and irritability, low education, and use of corporal punishment, manual social class, marital stress, child care provided exclusively by the mother, and poor child health. Tantrums were not associated (at p less than 0.01) with gender, maternal employment, low social support, or single parenthood. Severe tantrums may indicate the presence of multiple behavior problems and psychosocial stressors. PMID: 2045487, UI: 91258529

To: Neocon who wrote (66422)	12/13/1999 10:35:00 AM
From: Edwarda	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I found the following recommendations from the Family Research Council, a fundamentalist-oriented organization, worth consideration in this discussion because it does draw distinctions and differentiations: * they differentiate between "abusive hitting and nonabusive spanking." * they recommend that verbal corrections, time outs, and logical consequences be the disciplinary methods of choice * spanking should be reserved for instances where non-compliance persists, and only if non-physical disciplinary methods have failed. "For very compliant children, milder forms of correction will suffice and spanking may never be necessary." * the child should receive "at least as much encouragement and praise for good behavior as correction for problem behavior." * "to avoid public humiliation or embarrassment," it should always be done in private * spanking should be restricted to a range of ages. It "is inappropriate before 15 months of age and is usually not necessary until after 18 months. It should be less necessary after 6 years, and rarely, if ever, used after 10 years of age." * if spanking does not seem to work, a parent should never increase the severity of hitting. Professional help should be sought, and/or other disciplinary techniques tried they recommend a single slap to the hand of a young child, and one or two spanks to the buttocks for older children they recommend hugging the child afterwards.