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To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (66601)	12/14/1999 1:25:00 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 108807

Now there's the thin lipped, humorless, anal retentive Danny boy we all came to know and love! Attaboy Danny boy!! JLA

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (66601)	12/14/1999 1:28:00 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

...never mind

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (66601)	12/14/1999 1:41:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I re-read the US News and World Report article, and my analysis is that there are two researchers that were cited as saying that spanking may be beneficial, or at least not harmful, Robert F. Larzelere, and Marjorie Lindner Gunnoe. It appears that papers were presented at the 1996 conference of the American Academy of Pediatricians, but the studies are not available online, and the abstracts aren't, either, so to understand them a trip to the library is necessary, unless you've got a way to get them on-line that I can't find. However, Larzelere's "research" is a meta-analysis of other people's research, it's not independent research at all, which you wouldn't know from reading US News and World Report. Gunnoe's research seems to be a statistical analysis of records, just looking at the abstract, I can't tell whether she actually interviewed anyone, herself. Again, a trip to the medical library is needed. However, her research is ambiguous, she states that there are different conclusions to be drawn on whether spanking causes anti-social behaviour, depending on age, sex and race. For some it does, for some it doesn't. The real problem with the scientific debate, in my perception, is that it's largely political. And that's demonstrated in this argument on this thread, which appears to be splitting along political lines. It reminds me of the old, now resolved, "debates" about whether smoking was harmful, whether second-hand smoke was harmful, whether smoking while pregnant was harmful, whether drinking while pregnant was harmful. People don't want to believe things that are inconvenient, and will continue to deny them until the bitter end. I am sure there are millions of women who can say, honestly, that they smoked or drank during their pregnancies, and did not harm their child. That doesn't mean it's not harmful, in general, and should be avoided, because the risks outweigh the benefits.