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To: Jim Bishop who wrote (17097)12/15/1999 4:19:00 PM
From: SSP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 150070
 
The Lists, final - goldenlists.com
Symbol Last Change Net Chg. % Tot. Vol. Company Name
CDNO .05500 +.01500 +37.50 1195140 CONSOLIDATED CAPITAL CORP OF NORTH A
PNEC 1.56250 +.18750 +13.64 87600 PLANET ENTERTAINMENT CORP
TVCP .81000 +.08000 +10.96 1453500 TALK VISUAL CORP.
AQCB .21000 +.02000 +10.53 3492700 AQUA CLARA BOTTLING
CHIP .0170 +.0014 +8.97 468700 LS CAPITAL CORPORATION
CBQI 4.25000 +.31250 +7.94 54100 CBQ, INC.
ONIN 6.43750 +.37500 +6.19 56800 ONLINE INNOVATION INC
KAHI .07500 +.00300 +4.17 1372000 KAIRE HOLDINGS INC
DANS .30000 +.01000 +3.45 109700 DANSKIN, INC.
PCES .66000 +.01000 +1.54 17300 PACE HEALTH MGMT. SYSTEMS
MDMI .0800 +.0000 127000 MASSIMO DA MILANO INC, SHS
ECO 1 3/8 +0 352400 ECHO BAY MINES LTD.
CCCZ .0600 +.0000 546300 CASTELLO CASINO CORP, COM NEW
PUMA 83 -5/8 -.75 659000 PUMA TECHNOLOGY, INC.
TRAC 11 1/16 -7/16 -3.80 602800 TRACK DATA CORPORATION
VGCP .24000 -.01000 -4.00 30000 VIKING CAPITAL GROUP,INC
PFCK .50000 -.03100 -5.84 1280400 PEACOCK FINANCIAL CORP.
OGPS .87500 -.06250 -6.67 366200 OMICRON TECHNOLOGIES CORP
CECS .062500 -.00750 -10.71 3000 CHOICES ENTERTAINMENT CORP
LOCH .58000 -.10000 -14.71 6814900 LOCH HARRIS INC, SHS



To: Jim Bishop who wrote (17097)12/15/1999 5:02:00 PM
From: CIMA  Respond to of 150070
 
Is short selling evil?

Short selling is, at first blush, a strange way to make (or lose) money in various equity and commodity markets. I say make money, instead of investing, because short selling is very much a short term game, much more like speculation than anything else. A short seller tries to profit by selling a borrowed asset, hoping to eventually buy it back and return it to its owner at a lower price. In effect, a short seller bets that the value of the asset will drop, in contrast with a 'normal' investment where the expectation is that the value of an asset will rise.

The risk/return equation for a short seller is quite different from a typical investment. This is because a borrowed asset must be replaced and there can be no guarantee there will be any sellers of that asset in the future. In theory a short seller has unlimited downside risk, or can lose much, much more than their entire investment. This is in contrast with a typical ('long') investment where the risk, except in unusual circumstances, is limited to the value of the original investment. Similarly, at least in theory, a short seller's upside potential is limited to the original investment (that is, the asset becomes worthless) while the upside on a 'long' investment is unlimited.

While short selling is well known in the stock market, virtually any commodity asset (gold, soy beans, currency) can be sold short either directly or through the use of derivatives, contracts, and other instruments. In general, people tend not to associate bad intent with the sale of commodities, either long or short. Things change when the asset sold short is the stock of a company.

Because a short seller is betting the value of an asset will drop, somebody who sells a company's stock short is betting the stock is overvalued. Furthermore, because of risk (and a variety of other factors) the bet is that it is very much overvalued and that the value will correct sooner, rather than later. Naturally, senior executives of companies, who almost always believe their stock is cheap, don't like short sellers, especially those who tell other people why they think a stock is overvalued.

Short sellers who spread untrue rumors hoping to drive a share price down are clearly operating unethically, and in many cases are breaking the law. On the other hand, critiques of company accounting policies, competitive positioning, and so forth are fair game -- and often enough are closer to the truth than companies want to admit. Nonetheless, until (and unless) the situation unfolds for the worse, short sellers are often viewed as cynical non-believers.

It follows that if short sellers are 'bad,' then selling short is wrong. Short selling has been blamed for everything from the Great Crash of '29 to the collapse of Asian currencies in late 1997. Presumably, according to critics of short sellers, a poorly regulated, highly speculative stock market (in the first case) and inept economic management (in the other) were just coincidental.

In reality, short selling a stock is very much like buying a stock using borrowed money. In other words a borrowed asset is exchanged for another asset. In fact, in any economic transaction an asset of lower perceived value is exchanged for one of higher perceived value. Long or short, the risks can be substantial, as can be the profits. The difference is that investing with other people's money doesn't usually carry a stigma. In either case, short selling, or any other investment involving borrowed assets, is a high risk strategy best suited for people who understand (and can afford) the risks. Good and bad have nothing to do with it.

Brian Piccioni is a high tech equity analyst and VP at Nesbitt Burns, a job for which he trained by developing software and designing computers. He lives just far enough out to think of himself as rural, but commutes daily to the city and may be reached there by phone at 416-359-5761, by fax at 416-359-5356 and by e-mail at Brian.Piccioni@nesbittburns.com.

Brian Piccioni




To: Jim Bishop who wrote (17097)12/15/1999 6:38:00 PM
From: Mr.Manners  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 150070
 


But in the end, who cares, sharing of info, alerting each other, and everyone making $$ is what counts, in my book anyway

As far as Gary G seeing accumulation, that's nice.. but I was unaware of his post.

I never said I was looking for credit. I don't have to.
What I objected to was the blatant discrediting taking place by the very person who asked me about the stock - which is not as if he heard from someone who heard it from someone.
It can't be that difficult to understand - he knew, and he did it anyway.
And only said ...'kidding'.. when the evidence showed up.

To: +Kasha (16198 )
From: +Mr Metals Wednesday, Dec 8 1999 2:46PM ET
Reply # of 17102

PERL = I'M OUT OF MY MIND.....:-)))))))

POPM = WHAT'S THIS ONE ABOUT??...HURRY!:-)

MM




And if someone attempts such discrediting, passively or not, it's simple.. no, we all caint just git along.

Not
Rodney Kasha

To: +Jim Bishop (17080 )
From: +Mr Metals Wednesday, Dec 15 1999 3:29PM ET
Reply # of 17101

I told U about POPM at $2.50...Look at her GOGOGO!

MM

To: +Kimberly Lee (45441 )
From: +Mr Metals Wednesday, Dec 15 1999 3:33PM ET
Reply # of 45766

Kim,

I posted POPM's news to you when the stock was $2.50...Look at her go:-)

MM

To: +Kasha (17094 )
From: +Mr Metals Wednesday, Dec 15 1999 3:55PM ET
Reply # of 17101

REALLY!!!!!!

MM

To: +Rick McDougall (45626 )
From: +Mr Metals Wednesday, Dec 15 1999 3:48PM ET
Reply # of 45766

$2.75 to be exact...Check my postings from last week:-))))

MM


****************************

Besides, I sold out of POPM.......... don't like it.
... though I do like profits.



To: Jim Bishop who wrote (17097)12/15/1999 9:34:00 PM
From: LawStor  Respond to of 150070
 
Jim check out the new OTCBB site only for pennies.

www.otcbbstock.com

Regards,

LS