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Pastimes : Murder Mystery: Who Killed Yale Student Suzanne Jovin? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: James R. Barrett who wrote (91)12/18/1999 12:29:00 AM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1397
 
Jim, your theory is my #1 possible scenario. Yes, many other scenarios make lots of sense, but they each have, IMO, serious "gotchas".

For example, the secret meeting scenario with "someone she knew" does "work" but only in retrospect. I mean, certainly Suzanne may have verbally agreed (person to person or over the phone) to meet someone in secret that night and then verbally called from her apartment to confirm a time and place. Sure they could have met somewhere where no one saw them and sure they could have argued where no one heard them (in a car or on a street corner) and sure that person could have killed her and left her for dead in a neighborhood where even though people have houses close to the road and are out that night walking their dogs, again, no one heard or saw anything conclusive. So, here we have just described the so-called "perfect crime": no evidence at all. Since we are talking about a friend, said person obviously must have planned this carefully to keep everything a total secret.

But, wait a second. How can the killer be assured the victim kept their meeting secret? Even if the victim says they didn't tell anyone, maybe she wrote his name down on a scrap of paper, wrote it in a diary, or just plain lied to him. How can he be sure no one saw his car parked where she might have last been seen, or perhaps saw her get into it, or perhaps saw her riding in it or arguing, etc.? How can the killer be sure when he stops the car in a residential neighborhood no one is looking out the window or walking in the shadows, or about to drive by, etc.? Heaven forbid they themselves actually live in the area making an ID even more of a worry! These are all big "gotchas".

The point is, if all of us here wrote down our idea of how we'd commit the perfect crime I think none of us would concoct a scenario even remotely close to the above. Top on my list of things to do would be to make sure the body wasn't found, at least right away, so that I could establish an alibi. Next would be to minimize the risk of being seen with the victim by "meeting" her somewhere where the likelihood of someone knowing me or her was at least improbable. And so on...

Essentially what I've described is what you've just postulated. The people that got Suzanne did not know her and thus had little fear of being traced to her. They did not live in the neighborhood and thus had little fear of being identified by someone. Perhaps they also stole the car so they had no fear of someone copying down their license plate number. They didn't set out to commit the perfect crime and most likely did not. It's just that if you're not looking in their direction then in order for the others on the suspect list to "fit" the crime (since, by definition, there would be no evidence against them to establish a real link), you'd have to assume they all committed the perfect crime! If you accuse someone of committing the perfect crime, how can they disprove it?! At least if there's evidence they have something to dispute.
Think about it.

- Jeff




To: James R. Barrett who wrote (91)12/18/1999 6:11:00 AM
From: CJ  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1397
 
<<Feel free to tear this scenario apart.>> :) Ok, Jim, here goes:

You wrote of three or four punks driving around, needing money for drugs/alcohol, and deciding to grab a rich Yale student to get money and access to her ATM card and funds. . Fine.

<< As they are driving down College St. they spot Suzanne. The driver pulls up behind her and stops. Two of the punks jump out of the car and grab her. (They assume she has a wallet in her pocket.) They quickly hustle her into the car.>>

For these reasons, IMO, that doesn't work:

1. It was a very warm night. People were out walking, walking dogs, playing, walking between the Yale-Princeton game at the Rink and Yale, going to parties and movies. College St. was filled with people.

2. As an illustration, the witness who saw Suzanne walking on College St. "close to 9:30" was a student who left the game early and was walking alone to a party. She passed Suzanne, "but didn't think much of it." In Suzanne's immediate path, she saw a Hispanic or black guy going north. Behind him, walking north, was Suzanne, and behind her, walking in the same direction was a nicely dressed blond man with glasses. (VF 08/99 - all quotes are from the same article.}

3. Suzanne's friends all said she would never willingly accept a ride with someone she didn't know; she was in excellent condition; and, and "physically quite strong." She jogged, played squash, skied, and took some aerobics classes. "Whoever killed her, her friends say, was very strong ...'If you were talking about things Suzanne knew about, she would knock you out if she disagreed.' "

4. From all accounts of Suzanne, if she was accosted by two punks jumping out of a car, she would have physically resisted and fought with them. The evidence is that there were not any bruises, scrapes, scratches, or defensive wounds or marks anywhere on her body.

5. In the next part of your scenario, you wrote that she was, "screaming her head off" in the car. Clearly, the "screaming her head off" would have started the moment she was grabbed while walking on College St., before ever entering the car, it would have been heard, and, presumably, she would have been helped.

The point being, on that night, it would have been highly unlikely for anyone, especially Suzanne Jovin, to be "grabbed" and "quickly hustled" into a vehicle on College St.
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<<The car speeds away and the punks soon discover that she is not carrying a wallet or an ATM card. In the mean time Suzanne is screaming her head off. One of the punks becomes so pissed off, because they came up empty, that he pulls out a knife and starts stabbing Suzanne. >>

Sorry, Jim:

6. Minor, but: A punk-filled car that is carrying a kidnapped female Yale student doesn't speed away to anywhere.

7. Think for a moment: These three or four punks, or even one of them, get(s) so "pissed off, because they came up empty," what are they going to do with this beautiful young woman they've just kidnapped? Stab her? No, at least not yet. They are going to drive to some remote area and sexually assault her. We know that never happened.
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<<They drive around for a short while trying to figure out what to do with her and decide to dump her body in an upper class neighborhood. Unless one of the punks starts bragging about the murder they will probably never be caught.>>

Very sorry, Jim; but, IMO, that dog won't hunt:

8. Suzanne was severely wounded, but likely alive, when she was at the intersection of Edgehill and East Rock. The police hosed the blood off the street the day following the murder. Mrs. Oxley, who lives across the street from where Suzanne was found, and saw her, lying face down on a grassy area between the curb and the sidewalk, before she was moved, said, "She looked to me as though she was trying...to get to that house and didn't make it," 9. Punks don't dump bodies in upper class neighborhoods!! . . Punks know they are readily spotted in upper class, "mansioned" areas. Punks dump bodies in remote woods and river basins, abandoned and dilapidated buildings or at dumps.

10. <<Unless one of the punks starts bragging....>> While you may be regrettably correct that this crime may never be solved, for the past year, the tragic murder of Suzanne has had frequent local media coverage, and significant national coverage. It is somewhat inconceivable that none of the "three or four punks" would have talked about it during the year; and, more inconceivable, that none of the punks, nor any of the friends or family they told, have been arrested for other crimes, and wouldn't have used that information to bargain for a lighter sentence, or a dismissal, of the charges against them.

Where does that leave us? As you, Jeff, and some others theorize, Suzanne may have been murdered by someone she didn't know; however, IMO, it would have to be under a different scenario.

Time to leave. What's good for the goose .... so, feel free to rip and tear these points apart. :)

Regards,
Carol