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To: greenspirit who wrote (67738)	12/21/1999 11:25:00 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 108807

Mary's Boy Child Harry Belafonte (chorus) Long time ago in Bethlehem, So the Holy Bible say, Mary's boy child, Jesus Christ, Was born on Christmas day, Hark, now hear the angels sing, A newborn King today, And man will live forevermore, Because of Christmas day. Trumpets sound and angels sing, Listen to what they say, That Man will live forevermore, Because of Christmas day. (verse 1) While shepherds watched their flocks by night, They saw a bright new shining star, They heard a choir sing, The music seemed to come from afar, (verse 2) Now, Joseph and his wife, Mary, Come to bethlehem that night, They found no place to bear her child, Not a single room was in sight. (verse 3) By and by, they find a little nook, In a stable all forlorn, And in a manger cold and dark, Mary's litlle Boy was born! (end song with a full repeat of chorus)

To: greenspirit who wrote (67738)	12/21/1999 11:31:00 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 108807

The Little Drummer Boy The Harry Simeone Chorale 20th Fox 45-121 (Harry Simeone/Henry Onorati) Delaware Music Corp. ASCAP Come, they told me (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) A new-born King to see (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) Our finest gifts we bring (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) To lay before the King (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum rum-pa-pa-pum, rum-pa-pa-pum) So to honor Him (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) When we come Baby Gesu (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) I am a poor boy, too (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) I have no gift to bring (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) That's fit to give a King (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum rum-pa-pa-pum, rum-pa-pa-pum) Shall I play for you (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) On my drum? Mary nodded (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) The ox and lamb kept time (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) I played my drum for Him (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) I played my best for Him (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum rum-pa-pa-pum, rum-pa-pa-pum) Then, He smiled at me (pa-rum-pa-pa-pum) Me and my drum

To: greenspirit who wrote (67738)	12/22/1999 1:53:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<<Christian, the difference is that one is spanking and the other is abuse. I seriously doubt my wife would go to jail for husband abuse if she spanked me, or vice a versa. :-)>> Michael, why is it abusive to hit an adult, who has at least a chance of self defense, and acceptable to hit a child, a much less powerful person? Since the state has already decided that hitting an adult is abusive, the absolute privacy of families has already been abridged. Yet no one I can remember has made the argument that the laws against spousal battery should be repealed, even though the result of those laws is sometimes family members going to jail. <<Do you honestly believe sending a mother to jail for spanking is better for the child than an occasional swat on the behind?>> I don't think an occasional swat on the behind is child abuse. But if there is a law against hitting a spouse then logically there should be one against hitting children. I would start with public health education and classes in effective discipline. I suspect that a parent who would continue to hit a child after all that could be sent to jail, but would definitely understand the consequences of her behavior. Isn't teaching the consequences of behavior exactly what spanking is all about? Is it possible we expect more of a learning curve from children than from adults?