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To: w molloy who wrote (56297)	12/23/1999 10:40:00 AM
From: DownSouth	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

I believe that moderate wireless data speeds (56 .. 100 kpbs) will be more than adequate for the forseable future. Palm VII, for example, runs quite happily at 9600bps. w molloy, that statement, by its very nature, is very shortsighted. Apps of technology ALWAYS press the technology for better performance. 9600bps is adequate for what you are doing today on the Palm, buy by next year you will eat your words. Otherwise my TRS80 would still be viable.

To: w molloy who wrote (56297)	12/23/1999 10:45:00 AM
From: RocketMan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

I believe that moderate wireless data speeds (56 .. 100 kpbs) will be more than adequate for the forseable future. Palm VII, for example, runs quite happily at 9600bps. The question is how far away is the foreseeable future? The future is not about Palm VIIs, but about real time video phones and browsing on portable devices with user-friendly GUIs, adapted to the way people are used to browsing the WWW. For this you need a lot more than 9.6k, you need Mbps speed. The iMSM4500 ASIC, providing HDR capability, is to become available 2Q01 according to Q's literature, and I assume one this is adopted it will become the "foreseeable future."

To: w molloy who wrote (56297)	12/23/1999 10:56:00 AM
From: waverider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

>>>I used the one 'phone in Italy, Gernany and UK on my last trip. Pity I can't say the same here in the US.<<< Dude, what? WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? I can use my thin phone across the entire United States. AND I can do it without stacks inside the unit as well. Panus

To: w molloy who wrote (56297)	12/23/1999 11:09:00 AM
From: DownSouth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

molloy, I travel throughout the US and much of Canada. My cell phone works everywhere I go. So what's the problem?

To: w molloy who wrote (56297)	12/23/1999 7:56:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 152472

<I believe that moderate wireless data speeds (56 .. 100 kpbs) will be more than adequate for the forseable future. Palm VII, for example, runs quite happily at 9600bps.> WM, my experience is that 'adequate' is not how people like to run their lives. They might ogle a Lexus and buy a Ford, but if the Lexus costs less than the Ford and comes with WWeb built in, guess which one they'll buy. I see the same situation here. Unless 64kbps is cheaper than the MSM5000 solution, I can't see why anyone would buy it. Since the MSM5000 and the CSM5000 also double the capacity of earlier CDMA systems, there is a built-in cost cut of major proportions. I don't see that building an MSM5000 chip needs cost a lot more than an MSM3100, so people will throw money at it and they'll want, as always, speed, speed, speed, power, power, power, more, more, more. Adequate is fine by me if it's cheaper and good enough. But when it's not good enough and dearer, no thanks. <Yes - and hig end apps will be better served by DSL ans bluetooth. Wirelss will always be bandwidth constrained and technology like WAP and webclipping will make high rate wirless data superfluous.> Precisely - bandwidth is the problem! That's why the MSM5000 is a winner compared with the PHS and GPRS solutions; they are inefficient on spectrum and slow while leading to a technological dead-end. Yes, I like my ADSL and will enjoy Bluetooth. But they don't go everywhere. WAP and webclipping are half-baked ways of saving bandwidth. Better to manage the spectrum efficiently with HDR etc and let customers decide what they want to buy. Tell them the price per bit and let them get as many as they are prepared to pay for as fast as it can be delivered. There is going to be an early and spectacular shift to WWeb at HDR speeds. When the Cat's Away the Rats Will Play = WWeb Marketing 101 Mqurice PS: Well, thank you Idler.