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Strategies & Market Trends : Gorilla and King Portfolio Candidates -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/26/1999 1:26:00 PM
From: Jill	Respond to of 54805

Hi, Frank, and all. Poet & I started the options thread today (boxing day). It's at: Subject 32453 It references this thread, of course! :-) Jill

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/26/1999 1:34:00 PM
From: Boa Babe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

Thanks for the draft for the new index, uf; it's always nice to see you back at your "real" job. <g> Re your proposal #4: It occurred to me that if we use a weighted index representing the amount of each company that the aggregate here on the "thread" holds that the index would soon become outdated or skewed as personal numbers change with trading. If we use a standard number for each of the stocks we decide should be in the list, either number of shares or amount of initial investment, each of us will be able decide how we have done relative to the stock as it was at the beginning of 2000. Since we have declared with all the force of a 600-pound gorilla in the living room that we are NOT into "group think" it seems that the best plan gives each of us information relative to our own portfolio(s). I'm not sure I'm seeing the big picture here...all assistance is appreciated. Kay

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/26/1999 4:10:00 PM
From: Mike Buckley	Respond to of 54805

Frank, Great work with re-evaluating the GKI. I like the thought processes you used. We won't get everyone to agree on the thought processes, but the fact that you used them in a consistent way is about as good as it gets. --Mike Buckley

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/26/1999 4:14:00 PM
From: HeyRainier	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

Uncle Frank, When did Gem* get hailed as a Gorilla? Did I perhaps miss the post (or sequence of posts) that marked its ascension? Thanks, Rainier

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/26/1999 5:44:00 PM
From: BI*RI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

UF, I like your list, as all of my holdings are on it <ggg>. If updating monthly is too large a task, an initial start-of-year list, a mid-year update, and then an end-of-year/beginning 2001 finale might make sense. If participants' responses are limited to what percentage each of the stocks you have listed are of each person's portfolio at the close of business 12/31, then the data collection would be less formidable than the most recent global survey. I also think that an end-of-year updating makes sense, as many have reported adjustments of their portfolios with end-of-year trades. I, for one, have/will be moved out of WCOM and TYC into CREE, QCOM, and NTAP as new holdings since the November survey. Additionally, the subsequent climbs in many stocks have also changed weightings with some significance. Regards, Marc

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/26/1999 7:58:00 PM
From: Billy Barooo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

Hi Uncle Frank! I was just wondering what Justin's Watch & Wait portfolio currently consists of? Does he post it regularly? Thanks, and happy holidays to you and yours. B. Barooo

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/26/1999 8:49:00 PM
From: Sunny	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

UF, Could you please share your thoughts on weighting with us. Do you envisage totaling all of the percentages of the stocks that make the index and then dividing that total into the percentage held by those responding to Stan's survey? Or did Stan actually calculate the weighted average for each of the stocks for all respondents? Sunny

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/27/1999 9:56:00 AM
From: DownSouth	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 54805

UF, excellent summary. I agree with your list exactly as it is. Your GKI concept of consensus based on Apollo's work is excellent. Now we can debate the GBLX and TLAB classifications. Thanks. Galahad

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/27/1999 11:23:00 PM
From: James C. Mc Gowan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 54805

Candidate for GK 2000 list: ARMHY Unqle Franq has proposed the criteria for selection of Y2K's GK list and indicated those from this past years' GK list that will be continued into Y2K, and those from the Watch and Wait Portfolio that are now considered Gorillas or Kings. From GK list YTD Performance CSCO + 120% EMC + 141% INTC + 40% LU + 32% MSFT + 69% SEBL + 429% SUNW + 237% QCOM +1752% From GK W+W list YTD Performance CMGI(Godzilla) + 871% GMST(Gorilla) + 397% JDSU(King) + 837% NTAP(King) + 265% The leader in performance for this year, on the Watch and Wait portfolio, ARMHY, with a gain of 1137%, was not included for consideration, apparently as it was not held by sufficient numbers of posters to reach "consensus". It does now meet the $10BB market cap criteria. The gains of over 1100% thus far during 1999 for Arm Holdings, Ltd. are unusual, and not likely to be matched in Y2K. However, the potential for this firm is currently consistent with King status, I submit, and may well develop further simian characteristics in Y2K. I propose that the top percentage gainer for each year's Watch and Wait portfolio be included in the subsequent year's GK index. I realize that this is a foreign firm, and I note that no offshore firms are included in the new GK list. It may be more difficult for GK hunters to research and follow non-US firms, but with the availability of internet investment research resources, it should not be beyond the capability of those interested, if they are to expand thier opportunities for excellent returns beyond US borders. While I am not optimistic regarding expansion of the existing choices for Y2K, I am presenting ARMHY once again, as an investment vehicle that, I believe, will rival, and likely, surpass the majority of GK choices again in Y2K. Best of luck to all in the New Year. James

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (13324)	12/28/1999 10:28:00 AM
From: StockHawk	Respond to of 54805

G&K index. Re: TLAB I would prefer not to see TLAB in the index. I must admit that I have not followed the company closely and therefore my opinion is tainted, but from what I have observed, I'm not a big fan of their management. I thought the CIEN situation was handled very poorly. After the acquisition was announced the stock price of CIEN began to drop. It is likely TLAB could have renegotiated a lower price and had a nice deal, but instead they walked away. We'll perhaps never know all the reasons, but much speculation at the time was that it happened because AT&T did not select CIEN product after an evaluation. Imagine if QCOM had dropped CDMA because AT&T decided not to adopt it.