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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (68847)	12/27/1999 9:26:00 AM
From: Ish	Respond to of 108807

<<Here is an interesting article that contradicts the prevailing view on rising sea levels:>> Had something similar in the Midwest about 10 years ago. The Great Lakes started to rise. Chicago had used the water line of 1900 as a benchmark but they discovered the real high water mark would make for some nice fishing structure in the Loop. Nature changed it's mind and the waters receded. The Loop got flooded the next year when some pilings were driven too deep and the Chicago river leaked. Same year one of the bridges fell up.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (68847)	12/27/1999 11:34:00 PM
From: pezz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<<Your vision of a planet populated with a sea of humans and their domesticated animals dotted with only tiny Islands of wildlife is sadly one of replacing her beauty with... ugliness. That is not my vision at all.>> You know I have seen your posts on the environmental thread and I don't think it is. But it is what the policies that you expose will give us. I will not argue global warming,rising sea levels or depletion of the ozone layer with you. There are pros and cons on both sides. I am not sure that the evidence is conclusive either way.But when the Chinese bring their billion plus into the twenty first century and do it with coal [ as is their stated intention ]this question will be laid to rest one way or another. But their is no question that the vast diversity of species on earth is in the most rapid decline since the great extinctions that ended the dinosaurs' reign. And that the main cause is loss of habitat. The discussion is the carrying capacity of the earth..... This is not limited to humanity! Chas, tell me how many acres must go into production to feed each new baby [either to feed the animals consumed or foodstuffs consumed directly ] in it's life time? How many autos will that baby own during it's driving years? Tires used and discarded ? Let alone the thousands of barrels of oil to power said vehicle or heat it's home? Or all the energy and resources and water used to produce all the goodies that each of us will consume over our life span? How many tons of ocean fish [as well as the many casualties of the catch] will he/she consume? Forest products consumed for newspapers? housing?....Millions of gallons of water per person per lifetime?...In LA we are sucking the Colorado River dry with our insatiable demand for water. You see in the end it boils down to degree.... How big do you want that sea of humans to be? How small the islands of wildlife?... My contention is that every one must agree that zero population must come some time. Why not now ? What is to be gained by laying it on our descendents? How will we be better off with another billion? What will the state of the earth be?....As it sits at our current rate of consumption the oceans are being fished out. What will the earth be facing when the third world reaches our rate of consumption?...When they demand and get their fair share? When the Chinese a billion strong can afford the amount of fish consumption that the Japanese currently enjoy? Do you ever wonder why Japanese fishing ships are in our waters?....Nothing left around Japan. Do you honestly believe that when the entire world [even at the current population levels let alone another billion or two ]comes into the twenty first century we won't be seeing "a sea of humans and their domestic animals with tiny islands of wildlife"?