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To: Rambi who wrote (68919)	12/27/1999 4:21:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

>>>>>What IS the answer then?<<<<< What is the question? I don't feel like reading the entire thread, but am wondering if anyone mentioned that the social response to enforced bussing in D.C. was white flight to the suburbs. When the suburbs got integrated, the social response was for white parents to put their kids in private schools. I have posted several times about my experiences in the segregated Baton Rouge public school system, in particular, the fact that at the end of the school year, we would discard the textbooks that were all torn up and send them to the black schools. I kid you not. The black kids went to schools that were in poor shape, the black teachers, for the most part, graduated from inferior schools themselves. When integration was forced, those chickens came home to roost. All of a sudden white kids had to go to those awful schools, use those terrible books, and be taught by those poorly educated teachers. Oh, the horror! Things like that aren't easy to overcome.

To: Rambi who wrote (68919)	12/27/1999 6:49:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Rambi, this summary clip from that link says what I have been trying to say since the beginning of this discussion. Until the public truly understand that the structure of an organization determines it's long term success or failure. The chances of serious systemic improvements in our government education system are next-to-nill. What can be done? Structurally change the system by implementing a voucher program or charter school concept. The Edison examples Lizzie showed us should be benchmarked as an example of what can be done when you change the structure. So, you first must start with education and dialogue. In order to have that you need leaders willing to look for different answers than than the tired old cliche's "We need more money". Unfortunately, we have few leaders in politics today with real vision. Perhaps George W will provide that leadership. We shall see. Other than that, the initiative process in many states in another option. Unfortunately, the last time a vote was held here in state of washington the voucher concept lost out by a slim minority. It's tough to win a vote when the NEA and teachers union spends millions upon millions of dollars running fear campaigns against the initiative. But the tide is moving steadily in favor of voucher and charter schools. So I have little doubt it will win a vote at some point in the future. ___________________________________________________________ <<<<The Kansas City experiment suggests that, indeed, educational problems can't be solved by throwing money at them, that the structural problems of our current educational system are far more important than a lack of material resources, and that the focus on desegregation diverted attention from the real problem, low achievement.>>>