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To: MSB who wrote (69665)	1/1/2000 12:09:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Best cartoon feature: Beauty and the Beast Best sequel: Godfather II Best slasher movie: Halloween Best (American) surrealistic movie: Twin Peaks: Firewalk with Me Best Western: The Wild Bunch Best musical: Cabaret Best Vietnam movie: Full Metal Jacket Best rock documentary: Don't Look Back Best true crime film: Dog Day Afternoon Best "genius" movie: Amadeus None of these are written in stone. Discussion?

To: MSB who wrote (69665)	1/1/2000 2:52:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Good morning, Mike. Happy New Year, and I am glad to hear that your ancient computer did not suffer last night. Were you discussing creationism vs. evolution with Del? This is one of my favorite topics--may I jump in? I would be curious as to how creationists explain/rationalize stories like this one: S.Africa Fossil Find Sheds Light on Human Origins By Ed Stoddard JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Scientists Wednesday announced the discovery of a complete 3.3 million-year-old arm and hand of an ape man at the renowned Sterkfontein caves in South Africa that could shed light on the origins of man. ''This is the first time that a complete arm or hand of the ape-man, Australopithecus, has ever been found and promises to reveal dramatic information about the anatomy and behavior of our ancestors,'' the South African Journal of Science (SAJS) said in a statement. SAJS editor Dr. Graham Baker told Reuters it was ''a very exciting discovery.'' ''Hands and feet are rarely discovered from these periods because they are usually the first thing carnivores eat. They make a tasty snack and are easy to eat,'' he said. The arm and hand are believed to belong to an ape-man skull and associated skeleton discovered last year at the Sterkfontein caves near Johannesburg, which were recently declared a world heritage site by UNESCO. Both findings were discovered by teams working under Ronald Clarke. In an article to be published in the SAJS later this week, Clarke wrote that the elbow joint has similarities to those of an orangutan -- a great ape found in Indonesia and Malaysia that anthropologists believe is a distant relative of humans. The anatomy of the hand and foot support earlier contentions that the animal was adept at climbing trees, Clarke said. The Sterkfontein caves are one of the few sites in the world where ape-man fossils have been discovered and bolster Africa's claim to being the ''cradle of humankind.'' Baker said very special conditions -- such as those that exist at Sterkfontein -- were needed to preserve the bones of humanity's ancestors for so long. ''You need limestone deposits and a cave to ensure that the people who died were not exposed to scavenging carnivores,'' he said. The Sterkfontein discoveries are seen as a critical guide to understanding how and when man and apes parted ways, estimated to have occurred between five and seven million years ago. dailynews.yahoo.com

To: MSB who wrote (69665)	1/1/2000 6:22:00 PM
From: Krowbar	Respond to of 108807

<< Or showing me all of the links between the dinosaurs to a simple bird might change mine. >> All of the links? That would be an almost infinite amount of fossils, wouldn't it? Every time you are shown 2 examples, all you need to do is ask for the one between. And most animals that die do not turn to fossil, but are eaten, or they turn to dust, so you are asking the impossible. Despite that, intermediates between dinosaurs and birds have been found with the characteristics of both, but I suspect you'll never be convinced. It's simpler to believe the Bible fable. BTW, you got kind of testy with Christine when she gave an example of just what you asked for. I notice that the Creationists are totally silent on the ape man finding. << As to how it relates to anything, I couldn't care less. >> That statement proves that you don't want facts getting in the way of your thinking. Del