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To: Neocon who wrote (69681)	1/1/2000 1:20:00 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

"Full Metal Jacket" wave files from the DI - Lee Ermy? moviesounds.com

To: Neocon who wrote (69681)	1/1/2000 1:30:00 PM
From: MSB	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I don't guess I ever made the connection that the whore was the sniper, so I admit to having missed it. And while recently viewing the movie on Encore, it was only the last part of the movie I viewed. However, I have seen it in its entirety, but it was so long ago I really don't remember many of the particulars. I can, though, see your points with regard to both movies. I do not as a rule try to compare situations or characters to images with which I am familiar in other forms (or same) media. To me, this detracts from the story line. Hundreds if not thousands of images could be equally applied to (I would submit) all movies and books from others of the same. I realize many do this type of thing, but to do so to me lessens the experience of that which I have chosen to view. If I'm going to take the time to watch a film, I want to hope there will be something of value which I can come away with even if I'm viewing a rehash of some very old themes. I've noticed from time to time some musical sequence from rock 'n' roll song which will sound amazingly like another with a different song title. I believe I can like either song regardless of the musical influence from which either draws. I could never bring myself to sit through the length of "The Deerhunter".

To: Neocon who wrote (69681)	1/1/2000 8:40:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Powerful analysis, Neocon. I underwent the bootcamp and sniper training in the Old Corps. It is always exaggerated in print and film. It is a powerful, sophisticated process of conditioning. It is almost entirely behavioral rather than intellectual or emotional. During the Korean War, for instance, we were not even told who or why we were supposed to fight. We only knew that we had to protect each other at the gift of our lives. Chesty Puller, CO of the 1st Marines, always referred to the enemy as follows : "Gimme some mo' fire on those people ovuh theah." General Craig on the departure on the First Marine Brigade for Korea said that we would not abandon one single Marine dead or wounded on the field. It was always the command to rescue any wounded or body even if it meant all the rest would die. A ridiculous command. I never knew a Marine who disapproved of it, especially when he crawled outside the wire to patrol. I never heard of a Marine who refused to try the rescue. The esprit d'corps of Marines is almost unmatched in military history. Perhaps the Old Guard ("The Old Guard dies, but does not surrender!). Perhaps Leonidas' Spartans at Thermopylae ("Then we will die in the shade!"). Perhaps the Army of Northern Virginia ("Lee to the rear!"). Perhaps Alexander's Companion Cavalry, or Caesar's Legions, or Belisarius's Cataphracts. Everywhere that men have fought and died that their friends might live, they have died primarily for each other and not for their generals or states or even their families. Unless men make these bonds among themselves, they will refuse to die. It is irrational to die for a stranger, but not to die for a friend or brother. The enemy? The Japs, the gooks, the goonies, the slopes, ... oh, they're not even human. A hundred of them are not worth one of ours. War is hell.