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To: Zoltan! who wrote (2266)1/5/2000 7:23:00 PM
From: Tom Clarke  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3246
 
I thought his estimate of the death toll in the Ukraine should have been higher, too.

I was glad he included Woodrow Wilson, a messianic dolt if there ever was one. While he was at it, he should have included Lloyd George and Clemenceau.

Insight into Wilson's mindset and that of the non-Marxist European left can be summarized by this amazing snippet of conversation recorded by Walter Hines Page, Wilson's ambassador to Britain, and Sir Edward Grey, Britain's foreign secretary:

GREY: Suppose you have to intervene, what then?
PAGE: Make 'em vote and live by their decisions.
GREY: But suppose they will not so live?
PAGE: We'll go in again and make 'em vote again.
GREY: And keep this up for 200 years?
PAGE: Yes. The United States will be here for 200 years and it can continue to shoot men for that little space till they learn to vote and rule themselves.

cited from Burton J. Kendrick, The Life and Letters of Walter H. Page vol.1 p.188