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To: Thor Carlsen who wrote (12598)1/5/2000 9:36:00 PM
From: d:oug  Respond to of 14226
 
(0) feedback (1) on topic (2) an off on topic (3) Linus & Open Source'ing

[0]

<<OH NO - I couldn't wait any longer.
The torture must stopwhile I sip on this '84 Bordeaux.
Ouch - bit my tongue on some crunchy bread.>>

FeedBack = See what happens when you do not play fair and try to
have your PunishMint not to be so,... it comes back in a different way,
and Bites You. <<Ouch - bit my tongue>>

[1]

Thor, take heart, all the other desert dirts are in the dog house,
the only difference is that their management has the courteous to
remind their shareholders on a regular basis, "Yes, we have no...".

[2]

Just in, an updated picture of the Global work site.

Included is a view of the dirt pile left over from the road construction
of past years, and at the top you can see the hole left from the dirt
that Jensen and Twiford and employees walked off with over the days and
weeks and months and years that filled up their boots as they stood on
top of the hill looking at the horizon for a guidance and direction and
purpose on how to run Global. Just simple dirt that falls into one's
boots or shoes thru normal activity of walking on lose ground, and at
the end of the work day one goes home and before entering their house
one will remove one's footware and shake/pour out the dirt so as not
to dirty up their home.

Yes I understand your thoughts,
that hole at the top of the dirt pile,
that once was the top of the dirt pile,
where upon each of them stood looking,
looking for that which will deliver Global to it's shareholders,
you think that which one pounders with disbelief,
as you wonder
as Jensen and Twiford
stand upon the top of the hill
looking outwards
yes looking
for us
you and me and Jack and others on this thread
like us
in the dark
wondering what Jensen and Twiford see
as they stand upon the hill
now with a hole at the top of the hill,
they stand and look
as they stand inside the hole,
looking outwards
towards the horizon
straight into the inside wall of dirt that is the hole,
only dirt abound
no lights, only like a sky light, the top of the hole,
so Jensen and Twiford see what ???
what = darkness & blackness
so now we know
the vision(s) Jensen and Twiford have for us
we hurting shareholders
now we know
why we feel In The Dark
becauses
that is what Jensen and Twiford see
see as what Global is
and is is also described
as Globals' Desert Dirt
of that Pile, the hill,
seemingly to decrease in size,
as the hole increases,
wider and deeper,
SeemIngLY to "Walk Away"
as its,
but It'S own "power"
to FaLL into Jensen's and Twiford's shoes/boots
and then walk off Global's property
each day, as the work day concludes.

agu.org

Please note, the "pilot" plant Global payed Big Bucks for can be seened
in the picture located at the bottom. Yes, its those white cloth tents.

[3]

Open Source Portal Launches

LINUX DISTRIBUTOR OPENS FREE PORTAL

Linux distributor VA Linux is sticking to its open-source roots with
SourceForge, a free online program depot and portal for open-source
developers. Coming out of its seven-week beta period, SourceForge lets
open-source developers upload and download code, automatically monitor
open-source project discussions and stay abreast of individual projects
with bug and task-tracking databases. The site also offers management
tools for project administrators where they can manage developer
membership for specific projects. It was Net resources such as these
which spawned Linux in the first place. Further evidence that open
source is a powerful movement -- one Java should join to save itself.
Click for more.

January 4, 2000

Giving Back

Flush with IPO cash, VA Linux stays true to its open-source roots.

By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, Sm@rt Reseller

VA Linux, the Linux hardware vendor and high-tech stock darling, is
staying true to its open-source roots by opening SourceForge, a free
online program repository and portal for open-source developers.

sourceforge.org

SourceForge, still emerging from a seven-week beta period, offers
open-source developers more than just a data repository for the
"official" version of their code and online forums. Services like these
have long been available via ftp sites and Usenet newsgroups. Indeed, it
was from just such universally available Net resources that Linux itself
sprang.

SourceForge moves beyond these open-source development environments to a
groupware-like development environment. Through SourceForge, a developer
can not only upload and download code and join in open-source project
discussions, but also can automatically monitor discussions and keep in
the loop on individual projects with bug and task-tracking databases.

The new site also provides management tools for project administrators.
Administrators can manage developer membership for their particular
projects. If people want to join a project as a developer, they must
first register on the site as users, then they must contact a given
project's administrator before being allowed to work on a specific
project. Once these individuals are designated as developers, the
administrator controls their ability to post code to the common version
source databases, initiate bug or task reports, and moderate discussion
groups.

While SourceForge is no replacement for an all-out source code, project
management program, its Team Development Environment is easily the best
available open-source-project development environment.

Not Just For Linux Projects

Despite the "Linux" in VA Linux's name, SourceForge isn't limited to
Linux projects. Any and all legitimatize open-source projects are
welcome, regardless of their target operating environment. Whether an
open-source program runs on OpenBSD, Palm or even Windows, so long as
it's an open-source program it's game for SourceForge.

SourceForge is an open source "license-free" zone. While projects must
be open source, in the widest possible sense, VA Linux doesn't try to
police the politics of which open-source licenses are more pure than
others.

As SourceForge prepares to open its doors to the public, it already
hosts about 700 open-source projects, from such major projects to VA
Linux's own Cluster Manager and Topaz, a next-generation version of the
Perl programming language, to FreeVet, a Y2K-ready animal-clinic
management program. Approximately 3,500 developers already are on-site
with hundreds more coming onboard per week.

No one is predicting that SourceForge will replace the existing
infrastructure behind such major open-source projects as Apache, Linux
or FreeBSD. But, it's also apparent that SourceForge will likely be the
launchpad for many other open-source projects.

October 8, 1999

Get Over It! Open Source Squabbling

In the long run, there isn't much practical difference between GPL and
SCSL.

By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, Sm@rt Reseller

I believe in open source.

I believe in it as a programmer, because with the whole world looking at
a program's code, I know that if there are problems, they'll get fixed
Peer-review works for engineering; now it's working for computer
programming. That's great.

I believe in open source as a reseller, because open source products are
sturdier than their proprietary relatives and cost less.

I also believe that I'm getting sick and tired of the legalistic
wrangling between rule lawyers arguing over open source license details.
Really sick and tired.

So, let me spell out what I see are the practical differences between
the licenses. Real open source licenses, like the Gnu Public License
(GPL), the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) license and the Artistic
License, let you work with source code and modify it to your heart's
content. With the GPL, you must share your code changes with the rest of
the world and that's about it. For more on the details see: Freeware
Isn't So Free.

Then, there are what I call semi-open licenses like the Sun Community
Source License (SCSL). The problem here, to quote Bruce Perens, open
source guru, is: "Sun's SCSL is written to gain them all of the
advantages of Open Source without any of the obligations. They're
expecting the community to participate on the same basis as they would
with Linux, but most developers understand that the SCSL license doesn't
give developers the quid-pro-quo that they get with Linux, and
developers aren't going for it."

Why not? Because with SCSL, Sun owns the code and any changes you make
to it are Sun's, and Sun's alone. To quote Linus Torvald from remarks he
made this week at Internet World, "There is a history of misusing 'open'
as a marketing term. To me 'open' means more than just being able to
look at stuff. With open software you can enter it and start playing
with it and make your own decisions, and you don't have to ask
permission to start doing stuff."

I see both Perens' and Torvald's points. Philosophically, I agree with
them completely. But, in the real world, so what?

Linux is becoming more commercialized by the minute. Sure with SCSL, Sun
reaps any direct financial benefits from good changes made to Solaris or
Star Office. But, with GPLed Linux, isn't it funny how the biggest open
source billionaires are not the people who wrote the device drivers or
parts of the kernel, but the big money backers of Red Hat? So where is
the Linux 'roof over my head and food in my kids' tummy" quid-pro-quo
for the operating system's developers? I don't see it.

And, have you taken a good look at the "where the heck did they come
from!" LinuxOne IPO S-1 statement? This company's IPO documents reads
like copies of Red Hat's IPO statements. There's nothing illegal about
that and certainly there's nothing wrong with putting out another Linux
distribution. But, here's a business going IPO... and they don't even
have a shipping, non-beta Linux distribution. Is just me or does it seem
like LinuxOne's main intent seems to be making a quick buck from Linux
and open source stock fever, with quality open source additions to Linux
only a secondary priority?

Of course, you can also make a good living by being a Linux expert. And,
yes, you can do well by reselling and servicing Linux. But, you know
what? You can do all that with Solaris too-before and after SCSL.

Maybe it's time to stop being dreamy about open source. Can we admit
that while it's an extremely useful way of creating software, in the
world where cash counts that maybe, just maybe, that it has also turned
into is a way of making money from the sweat of idealistic software
developers--regardless of license?

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