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To: William Brotherson who wrote (71129)	1/6/2000 10:32:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Imagine human beings living their lives separated from the broader society of humans, and being treated essentially as talented pets. Either dolphins are not much smarter than other trainable mammals, or they are docile to a degree that would be considered a fault among humans.......

To: William Brotherson who wrote (71129)	1/6/2000 11:04:00 AM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Sorry to interject, William, but I went and checked for recent news on this, I remember John Lily, "Day of the Dolphin" and all that, but hadn't read anything recently. Here's an update. Not that it contradicts the "best data" of what Neocon saw at the dolphin show or anything. Evidence Puts Dolphins in New Light, as Killers, By WILLIAM J. BROAD, NYT 7/6/99 Everybody loves dolphins, those playful models of animal wisdom, celebrated for protecting shipwrecked sailors and spending their days frolicking happily in the waves. Movies, television and water shows feature their antics. Nowadays, thousands of tourists swim with dolphins, captive and wild, with more signing up every day to commune with their animal intelligence. Most recently, a variety of organizations have sprung up that offer tours to places like the Florida Keys, the Azores and New Zealand, where participants can swim with wild dolphins and, brochures proclaim, experience emotional healing and spiritual awakening. But scientists, following a trail of bloody clues, are discovering that dolphins are far from the happy, peaceful creatures that humans think they know. Growing evidence shows that the big animals, up to 12 feet long, are killing fellow mammals in droves, wielding their beaks as clubs and slashing away with rows of sharp teeth. Dolphins have been found to bludgeon porpoises to death by the hundreds. Unlike most animal killers, which eat their prey, dolphins seem to have murderous urges unrelated to the need for food. They have even been observed in recurring acts of infanticide. . . . Dolphins are highly social and appear to communicate among themselves with a wide range of clicks, whistles and beeps, though scientists who study them say they do not actually have a complex language. Experts say dolphins are smarter than dogs and similar in intelligence to chimpanzees. The full article cites the researchers and has external links for more info. It also considerably more detail on the observed aggressive behavior, not for the squeamish. The article is available through site search at search.nytimes.com, I just searched for dolphin intelligence, it was the first thing that came up. Cheers, Dan.