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To: jeraldo515 who wrote (4525)1/6/2000 9:09:00 PM
From: Rich1  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 9427
 
I wholeheartedly agree. It's hard to believe all the indicators are still good and my portfolio has suffered a 10% decline in 3 days. Especially in light of the panic buying we saw on Monday. Maybe that panic buying was a blowoff top. Obviously I am heavenly invested in tech and internuts. We are all big boys and girls and PnF has been a very valuable tool. Certainly would appreciate any info or light that could be shed on this matter.
Even took out the PnF book today read it today as I was on a plane trip to Orlando especially the part about stops which I obviously did not follow correctly. I doubt the carnage is over in light of the Lucent warning.



To: jeraldo515 who wrote (4525)1/6/2000 10:15:00 PM
From: Tigress  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9427
 
jeraldo515:
"did any piffers anywhere have any indicators or indications( other than intuition, a WAG , or an artistic nuance) that even suggested monday afternoon the debacle that was to follow tuesday morning and hopefully is near the finish this afternoon?"

I noticed at least 6 indications to confirm an imminent correction:

1. Yogi reported 6 days that his indicator was Extremely Overbought at +5).
Dates were: 12/17/99, 12/21, 12/23, 12/27, 12/28, and 12/29/99.
Message 12414201

2. Dick reported how reliable the OPTI was as a contrary indicator:
Message 12460075

3. Jori X. McKie reported his negative opinions before year end. You'll have to follow the
Piffer OT - featuring JXM & the Princess thread back.

4. A radio show broker I follow took his vacation last week. I'm convinced his timing is
always planned and impeccable.

5. On 12/23/99 there were 2129 bullish vs 327 bearish mutual fund charts and by 12/29/99
there were only 1105 bullish vs 72 bearsh charts. For the record, yesterday's statistics were
381 bullish vs 1182 bearish. IMO, still not enough bearish charts to indicate this is "the" bottom.

Tig




To: jeraldo515 who wrote (4525)1/6/2000 10:49:00 PM
From: Augustus Gloop  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 9427
 
<<Also, did any piffers anywhere have any indicators or indications( other than intuition, a WAG , or an artistic nuance) that even suggested monday afternoon the debacle that was to follow tuesday morning and hopefully is near the finish this afternoon?>>

1)There were skeptics on the board (I was not one of them and still remain bullish)

2)I don't know of any indicator that will call for an afternoon correction on a specific day.

3)Each stock has a chart that indicates the sectors bullish percentage. It's up to each individual to draw a line in the sand and determine when to go on defense.

4)Each stock also has a support area. If you allow it to violate that support and stay invested then you deviate from the discipline and run the risk of being battered.....we all have been down that road!!!

5)Part of the discipline is to not "out guess" the indicators in terms of direction. As we speak the indicators are in our favor.

So, although the past few sessions have been painful, I'm not ready to "cash in" until I feel we have slipped and are headed south. In terms of future indicators, I'm sure Tom looks at possibilities of how to better his service all the time.



To: jeraldo515 who wrote (4525)1/7/2000 6:15:00 AM
From: Mr. BSL  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9427
 
jeraldo, The NASDAQ was at 2900 when the NYSEBP turned up in October and is still above where it was a month ago. The NASDAQ is due for a breather!!! I would suggest following the NYSEBP blindly for a few cycles and then determine if it is the right indicator for you. Regards, Dick



To: jeraldo515 who wrote (4525)1/7/2000 1:43:00 PM
From: Ms. X  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9427
 
The OPTI was in O's suggesting the Optionable stocks, largely Nasdaq, were on sell signals and things could get hairy. That was a major indicator telling you to be careful with those stocks.

The Nasdaq chart itself was on a major high pole which is a warning alone for any chart.

But I think the point is you aren't allowing for a normal pullback. The Nasdaq has moved 3340 to 4090 in December alone, that is 750 points! How unreasonable was it to pull back 370 some points? Why is it so odd that after the DJIA pulled back and the Nasdaq soared that the reverse is true now? I think people aren't conditioned to the large swings and of course don't want anything to move down, especially tech stocks. It has to happen though and this was by no means a crash.

With the OPTI in O's and the Nasdaq so very extended a pullback was highly possible and very much needed.

The NYSE BP tells us the overall market direction is positive which we have seen to be true.

Besides, not all stocks broke down. The Nasdaq did fall but the Nasdaq doesn't measure all stocks. If you owned the prime stocks in that sector you got hit but in general more stocks remained in X's and gave buy signals than those giving sell signals.

Even thought the Nasdaq gave back some points the indicators stayed the same on a week to week basis telling us the sell off was a pullback and that buying would come in. If the selling was more than a pullback the indicators would have flipped negative and we would have seen more selling. So far it seems the indicators were right on through the whole thing.

Here is an article from DWA last night.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT
It continues to be a wild ride for the market at the beginning of the
year. The financial news media is having a field day talking about
the "market." You know, the "market" of the NDX, SPX and DJIA.
The problem is that is really not the true market. It is important to
remember that these indices represent only a handful of stocks. They
are not representative of a broad, cross section of stocks. If the
prominent indices were representative of the average stock then they
would not have been posting gains for 1999 when 66% of the stocks
on the NYSE were down for the year. Here are some statistics you
might not have realized but are important to keep in mind when you,
and more importantly your clients, hear their favorite financial
newscaster talk about how the "market" was up or down.

The top ten stocks in the Nasdaq Non-Financial Index (NDX)
account for 46% of the movement in that index. Those ten stocks
are: MSFT, QCOM, CSCO, INTC, ORCL, WCOM, YHOO,
SUNW, DELL, JDSU.

The top ten names in the S&P 500 control 28% of the movement
in the SPX and the top twenty names control 40% of the
movement. The stocks are (in order of most influence to least):
MSFT, GE, CSCO, WMT, INTC, XOM, LU, IBM, C, AOL, T,
MRK, SBC, AIG, WCOM, ORCL, HD, KO, PG and RD.

The ten highest priced stocks in the Dow Jones are AXP, GE,
IBM, JPM, MSFT, HWP, PG, MMM, JNJ, and AA. Those ten
stocks account for 50% of the movement in the DJIA.

Considering the overlap, when the financial media quotes the
"market" as being up or down they are really reporting on the action
of 31 stocks! There's a whole lot of interesting things happening in
the true market like cyclicals, biotechs, financials getting oversold,
etc.