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Pastimes : Murder Mystery: Who Killed Yale Student Suzanne Jovin? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (154)1/9/2000 9:18:00 PM
From: CJ  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1397
 
<CJ, just to help firm up some of your JV questions and technical assumptions ...>

... A. Any witnesses' statements that they saw his car parked in the ....... same spot at various times on the night of 12/4

No. Nor any saying it wasn't there as he claimed.

... B. Any witnesses' statements that they were outside
near Jim's apt. and never saw anyone arrive/depart.


No.

... C. Any witnesses' statements that they live/were visiting within ....... earshot of Jim's apt., and never heard anything.

No one near Jim's apartment ever reported anything "suspicious".
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Jeff, with all respect, for someone who is so quick and bright in some ways, it amazes me that you still are so extremely defensive; so much so that you can't even see what I am attempting to do with the "What's missing." You repeatedly asserted that the only way for Jim to be cleared is if someone else is arrested and convicted; and that there is not any way for Jim to "prove his innocence" because he does not have an alibi that he was somewhere else, with other people, when the crime was committed.

I submit that Jim could and would be "proved innocent" IF there are witnesses who gave statements, or, even at this late date, could give statements, confirming that:

. Jim arrived at his apartment building at approximately 8:25-8:30 PM.
. He parked his red Wrangler on the street.
. The vehicle was in the exact same spot at 9:30, 9:45, 9:55, 10:00, and 10:15 PM.
. No one entered or left Jim's apartment between 8:45 - 10:00 PM;
... and, not as significant,
. They were in earshot of his apartment and did not hear any unusual
... sounds/conversations.

Does that make sense at all? This aspect is just one exemplification of what I wrote earlier about why Jim, immediately after becoming a suspect {within 2-3 days of the murder}, should have hired a P.I. His whereabouts during the entire relevant times on the night of December 4th would have confirmed by competent witnesses, and his life during the past year would have been extremely different.
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2. IMO, the woman who saw SJ after SJ saw Peter Stein was incorrect in her estimate of what time it was, and that it was closer to 9:20PM-9:25PM [rather than, "around/close to 9:30PM"]. The reason for this is Jeff's add'l. info of where the woman saw her, and that if Suzanne basically stayed in one area very long, several other students who knew her would have seen her; and,

Re: Timeline

<snip>

This gives Suzanne 14 minutes to finish up around her apartment and get to where Stein was, a distance of three city blocks as the crow flies (i.e. she'd have to go through locked gates and cross three streets). 9:15 sounds reasonable.

From there, Suzanne still had to walk a bit more to the police substation in Phelps Gate, get someone's attention, return the car keys, exit, and walk a 100 yards or so. Yes, we need to pin this stuff down more thoroughly, but your estimate of 9:20-9:25 definitely seems reasonable given what we now know.


So, based on what we know now, there was a window of 27 minutes - 32 minutes, between when Suzanne was last seen alive and well, and when she was seen dying 1.7 miles away.

It should be agreed that Suzanne could have easily walked from where she was last seen to the crime scene in a maximum of 15 -20 mins. Jim's apt. was closer, and would have taken a max. of 15 mins.

Sorry. No way no how. Recall it took me 8:45 to drive there! Most women jog at between 10-12 minutes per mile let alone walk at 7.5-10. I did time myself walking the route and as I recall it took me 25-30 minutes... and I am an avid runner. Let's also not forget the number of intersections, the fact that there's a steep uphill, etc.

I addressed almost all of this in my immediate past reply. You might want to check your notes again as to how long it took you to walk the shortest route. You might also want to "fess-up" and tell us how many sorority houses and bars you passed along the way.

In terms of how long it took you to drive the route, if I correctly remember, wasn't that on a traffic-heavy Friday afternoon, or some other "peak time" ? Additionally, regarding the area in New Haven that we are discussing, similar to areas in many other cities, at times it is quicker to walk than to drive from one particular point to another.
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<Again, I think it's pretty clear that any "reasonable" scenario must involve a car.>

Recall, if you will, her friends saying that Suzanne would NEVER enter a car with someone, or several people, she didn't know, and her friends, parents and sister describing how strong-willed she was. We do not need to revisit the argument of "force," by the drug thugs; rather:

If you think it is so clear, then please come-up with a "reasonable" theory and scenario.