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Pastimes : Murder Mystery: Who Killed Yale Student Suzanne Jovin? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (249)1/11/2000 11:09:00 AM
From: Harry Simpson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1397
 
Jeffrey,

Slightly off topic:

I note in your profile that you went to Union College. I have always been very good friends with Prof. Bill Bristol, who teaches latin american history. Wonder if you know him.

Secondly, I work in risk finance for Marsh. I find it interesting that your company supposedly provides insurance software solutions.

Lastly, and the real reason for posting this: How do you know Jim? Perhaps you explained it somewhere before, but I couldn't find it. Just a short note would help.

Thanks,

Harry



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (249)1/11/2000 11:49:00 AM
From: MNI  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1397
 
Jeffrey, a request. Are we definitely positive that it was Suzanne, personally, who dropped the keys? What evidence is there to tell us?

If not: A killer who knew on the protocol how to return the keys anon, like throwing them in a postbox etc., might have gone with Suzanne in the Yale car and returned it later him/herself, especially if a Yalie him/herself (which would be the most likely condition of knowing in the first, anyway). Sure not probable, like you always claim propositions should be. But it rocks some of your assumptions.

I still think it was possible for the victim to walk all the way in 25 minutes - but I would agree to a 60/40 likelihood of a car being used at some time during her journey.

Also, I think too much consideration is given to Suzanne's leaving her wallet at home. People do that very differently. If 'shopping for a small thing' (a chocolate bar, etc.) is on, many simply put a collection of change directly into their trouser's pockets. Some have that anyway, as they don't wish to show without need where their wallet resides. Others want to avoid the temptation of buying more than was planned in the first place, e.g. a packet of cigarettes, more cookies, etc. The check possibility adds up to what I consider a no-knowing situation, as judged from money presence.

Should I repeat how appaled I am about the constant propositions of police bad intentions? Why don't you just team up to accuse the police not only for imperfectness of investigations, but insinuate that an officer from the substation might have developed a secret passion for the victim, or any other reason to commit the crime - thereby constituting a great motive for a collective police cover-up?

The officers surely depend on any success in this case more than most of us do, and they cannot like the situation of your friend, either. It is also not sure that it was their fault in the first place that Jim's name reached the public. I would rather suggest the TV channel he had worked with, or any other press people stuck their nose in too deep, and created a pressure on the officers "you tell or we do - and you can't control what we will be saying, then".

I think you have acted well enough partisan here to gain any possible reason to cease criticising the police - as I have said earlier.

As for your interview of Jeff, I think it not worth anything - after a whole year one should expect your friend, whether or not he committed the crime, to have a consistent story up and running, checked and rechecked. Therefore your interview is simply not conclusive. Of course it is your right to tell everybody you meet that you believe your friend is innocent, and for that purpose you can cite that interview - but it proves nothing. Even if you would assure us Jim, or anybody else you are going to interview, couldn't read this read, you even can't know. It is therefore well conceivable that the actual killer, whoever that may be, perceives of the most likely story for your questions before even you asked him/her.

Regards MNI.



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (249)1/11/2000 3:31:00 PM
From: CJ  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1397
 
<1. The distance from Jim's former residence at thee Bethesda Lutheran Parish House at 305 St. Ronan Street to the crime scene (corner of East Rock and Edgehill), according to my car's odometer, was .58 miles.>

Thanks for doing that, Jeff. While I do not in any way doubt your honesty in reporting the reading on your odomoter, when I didn't receive a reply, I looked-up the previous info on the name of the church, obtained the address and according to Maquest, door-to-door, the distance would be slightly less than .50 miles, as the door-to-door distance from Jim's residence to the Oxleys is .50 miles, and that would be a slightly greater distance than to the intersection of East Rock and Edgehill.. FWIW, Mapquest shows:


Start:
305 St Ronan
New Haven, CT

Destination:
71 Edgehill
New Haven, CT

Directions Distance

1:
Start out going North on ST RONAN ST towards CANNER ST by turning right.
0.3 miles
(0.5 km)

2:
ST RONAN ST becomes EDGEHILL RD.
0.2 miles
(0.4 km)

Total Distance: 0.5 miles (0.9 km)

Total Estimated Time: 2 minutes

.

Everyone familiar with the facts, is aware of the loud M/F argument, and then a loud scream, that were heard at 9:45 PM. Jeff supplied the info. that the location of the parties to the argument, and the female scream, was "one long block" South of the crime scene.

I would like to know the source of that info., as IMO, someone obviously saw the argument and the parties to it { or else he/she would not know the location}. Knowing whether Suzanne Jovin or Suzanne Jovin and Jim Van de Veld was/were participants is extremely important.

The thread should recognize that the location of the argument was between Jim's apartment and the crime scene.

.
********************************************************************
Possible Scenario:

1. Suzanne returned to her apartment at appx. 8:35PM - 8:40 PM. She was going to work on "some school work" {I believe it was likely her thesis, as it was due in 4 days, and it was the start of "reading week;" HOWEVER to avoid Jeff's repeating for the 47th time about it not being sure she was going to work on her Thesis, I am content with "school work."}

2. Her friends invited her to the movies at appx. 8:40 PM, she declined.

3. At 8:45 - 8:55 Jim called Suzanne to tell her about his review of her Draft, and that they needed to discuss it. he asked what she was doing for the rest of the evening.

... A. Jim was Still at his office, not at his apt.
... B. Jim was at his apt.; but returned to his office to
...... make a copy of the Thesis for Suzanne WITH
...... comments and corrections just made by Jim.
...... {Janice: It wouldn't make sense for her to take a clean copy}

She told him that she had to return the keys to the borrowed car, and was supposed to give a friend a book. More talk, and they agreed she would send the email to her friend, leave the book and work at his apt.:

... A. She would return the keys and walk to his office parking lot;
...... he would take a peek at the game and meet her at the jeep
...... peek into the game and wait for her.
... B. She would return the keys and start walking North on
...... College/Prospect, he would pick her up.

We have already discussed all the reasons why she didn't mention it to Peter Stein. There wasn't any reason to do so. It also makes sense why she didn't

They arrived at his apt. bldg. {Bethesda Church} and parked. It was a warm, evening and they decided to take a walk and talk about it before going up to her apartment. As they walked, they began to argue about:

... A. Suzanne's great disappointment in Jim's serving as her
...... Advisor, and her intention to file a Formal complaint;
... B. Jim's attraction to Suzanne, which she laughed at and
...... rejected, telling him she was going to report that, too.

The argument escalated {remember Suzanne's: "head-strong" and "would
fight you if she thought she was right and you were wrong" }. Jim
suddenly grabbed Suzanne, pulled her into a shadowed area, locked his arm around her neck from behind her, took his pocket knife out of his pocket, slashed her throat, and in his adrenaline-filled "blind rage" began stabbing her. The knife broke in her skull and she mustered all her strength, kicked him, finally got out of his grip, and ran as fast as she could to get away from him, then she would try to get help. Tragically, she only made it one block to the crime scene, where she collapsed and expired.

Jim returned to his apartment, immediately removed his bloodied clothing, put them and the knife in a bag and did ..... {it's insignificant how he got rid of them}. He stayed home the rest of the evening, sickened and relieved when he saw the 11:00 PM News.

During the investigation, the NHPD had people combing the area with metal detectors and looking for tangible evidence - primarily the weapon. If Suzanne ran on grass, or anything other than light grey/beige cement, her blood would not have been evident ( unless someone knew where to look in the shadowed area), until she reached
the street, which is why the NHPD hosed the street the following day.

******************************************************************** I need to leave in a few minutes. briefly reply to the remainder of Jeff's post:

1. Jim, or anyone on his behalf, not asking the neighbors if they saw his car because he "assumes .... they'd have told that to the police," is truly unbelievable to me. I don't know whether to attribute it to arrogance or ignorance; but, anyone who was suspected of using his/her vehicle during the commission of a crime would immediately search for witnesses to confirm that the vehicle wasn't used/moved during the significant time period.

2. <the thrust of the discussion on my part was to determine why the New Haven Police have so steadfastly held to the idea Jim must have done it. Did he do or say something early on that might have set off alarm bells?

Here are a few possibilities we came up with:

1. The police asked Jim when he first heard of the murder. He replied on the 11 o'clock news. He was not asked, and never has been asked by anyone when he first learned who had been murdered. He thinks perhaps the police might think they caught him in a lie, i.e. how would he have known about her murder that early, when in fact he didn't know!
>

That doesn't fly for me. If they were asking for that reason, they would have asked him about when he first learned of the identity of the victim.

It appears that you and Jim are earnestly trying to come-up with plausible explanations.

Lastly for this post: IMO, it is important to recognize that Jim not being "Released" as a {possible} suspect may be, and is, very disturbing to Jim, it is not unusual for a suspect to remain in that category until all of the evidence is analyzed, and he/she is either excluded by it, or another person is charged with committing the crime. It is much more difficult to "reinstate" someone as a suspect, than to not release him in the first place.

Regards,
Carol