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Pastimes : Murder Mystery: Who Killed Yale Student Suzanne Jovin? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (264)	1/11/2000 8:17:00 PM
From: VivB	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1397

Jeff, I came across this thread last night. I have some questions that I do not believe have been address yet. I have tried to read or scan most of the posts before adding any comments. Quite a while back, someone suggested that Suzanne might have stumbled into a situation and was killed because of what she'd seen. Someone else suggested that her death might be related to the terrorist figure she was investigating in her thesis. This suggestion seems to have been dismissed by most since none of her friends had any idea of a "secret informant" and all of the sources used in her thesis were "written" text. I think that the possibility that her death might be related to the topic of her research project has been too easily dropped. She would not need to physically meet a "secret informer" to browse the Internet visiting web sites with ties to known terrorist groups. She could have easily visited chat rooms convinced that an anonymous web identity protected her from detection. She may have never intended to use this information in her actual thesis but it was merely "background information" to get a "feel" for the kind of person she was writing about. Remember, this is the same class that had the "optional" assignment of cruising the Internet to find public information on bomb building. While it was stated that Suzanne did not participate in the "field trips," she may have done some of the Internet exercises. This is not necessarily the kind of information one might put in a diary. Suppose she stumbled onto information she shouldn't have and the site, message board poster, chat room user, whoever, traced it back and figured out who she really was? She could even have inadvertently "overhead" plans which had no particular significance to her at the time but were significant to the terrorist group. What if they thought she might be some kind of undercover informant monitoring their computer communications? Hadn't her advisor worked for the U.S. Government? Wasn't he still active in the Reserves. Might they have started watching and/or stalking her? Do you know if any sort of check was done on her computer for "Internet History Files" to make a list of the web sites she'd recently visited? Did she have bookmarks in her web browser related to her thesis topic or the bomb building project? Was she using a type of computer which would allow sites to trace and monitor her web visits? Did she have any chat rooms bookmarked?

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (264)	1/12/2000 2:16:00 AM
From: CJ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

Reply to Jeff's Reply to CJ's Reply and "Possible Scenario" . Jeff- I spent quite a bit of time, thinking about the entire situation, before I wrote the post - consisting of replies and a "Possible Scenario." Your reply offends me. We best get something explicitly clear : If you ever again address me in the tone of that post, I must cease my contact and contributions here. Your irrational outburst appears as If I am touching "too close to home." If that is not the case, why don't you take a deep breath and calm yourself; then, let's all take a look.: 1. {You:} Not to sound like a broken record, but I think we all know that barring an airtight alibi from Jim, which he obviously doesn't have since he was alone in his apartment during the murder> I've already shown to you some of the ways that Jim could have been, and possibly still can be, exonerated {by answering the "What's missing" questions; making an agreement in re: the polygraph; etc.] His refusal to be pro-active in the slightest - or to do anything to help himself - is his choice. <it's possible to concoct a variety of scenarios which involve him.> Yes we can; and, IMO, when we are working from an "agreed as plausible" theory {ie. there was a combination of SJ being driven and walking between 9:25 PM and 9:55 PM }, it is important to, inter alia, examine scenarios that implicate Jim. If they don't work, Jim is exculpated; if they can or do work, and he is actually innocent, he better knows why he is a suspect and what is circumstantially problematic for him. 2. < What you have not done is given any reason for us to assume it's even barely probable. > That is certainly a matter of opinion, rather than fact. <For example: Quest. 1. A. <What evidence is there to suggest Jim ever called Suzanne that night let alone at during precisely the time she was home?> Answ. 1. A. The evidence suggests: 1.} They were working closely together on her Thesis; 2.} There were only 4 days left for it to be finalized and ...... she was extremely stressed over it; 3.} Jim & Suzanne had an in-person conversation that afternoon; 4.} Jim was working on the Thesis that afternoon and evening; 5.} Suzanne was going to do school work after the pizza party, ...... rather than attend the movies or go to any parties; 6.} Jim stated he was "going to get with her in the morning;" 7.} Suzanne wrote a note to him [apparently before seeing him] ...... telling him to send an e-mail to her over the weekend if ...... there were problems. 8.) the suggestion in 6.} & 7.} is both of them intended ...... on working on it that night and/or over the weekend. Quest. 1. B. <Are you suggesting he called and called her all night until she picked up the phone? Dumb luck? Are you suggesting he knew her schedule... that she had no plans that night and would be "available"? How? > Answ. 1.B. I am suggesting Jim knew from Suzanne that, after the ...... pizza party, she was going to her apt. to work, the approx. ...... time she thought she would be there. Part of that is: He is ...... feeling somewhat guilty and bad that she is so stressed, and ...... assures her he will work on it Friday afternoon and ...... evening. The likely response from Suzanne would be, "If you ...... have any questions or we can discuss it, please call me." Quest. 1. C. < Where is the evidence they even had a chance to talk that day? > Answ. 1.C. Jeff- What a surprising question coming from you! I ...... assumed you were well-aware of Jim Van de Veld's ...... statement that he saw Suzanne at 4:00 PM or between 1:00 PM - ...... 1:30 PM on Friday, Dec. 4th. That is when she gave him the ...... revised Draft of her Thesis, and they likely discussed his ...... working on it that afternoon and evening, and her plans. Quest. 2. A. < Where is your evidence that Suzanne was flat out lying about what she told friends she was going to do that evening? > Answ. 2.A. Suzanne didn't lie about what she told her ...... friends: She talked to Jim after her friends asked her to ...... go to the movies; plus, even if they had talked, she ...... simply declined going to the movies in order to work, whether ...... it was by herself or with Jim, her Senior Thesis Advisor, was ...... immaterial. She didn't lie to Peter Stein, she simply said ...... she was "very, very tired and looking forward to getting a ...... lot of rest." That was probably true. Quest. 2. B. < Did her friends ever tell anyone this? Is there any evidence to suggest Jim told Suzanne not to tell a soul about their meeting? Is there any reason even if she said she wouldn't that he could be sure she wasn't lying to him? > Answ. 2.B. There was nothing for her friends to tell; even if ...... there was, there is not any way for us to know what her ...... friends may have told anyone. If her friends thought she ...... was lying or hiding something, surely they would have told ...... the police. Jim didn't tell Suzanne to not to tell anyone; ...... and, the third sub-question is Not Applicable. . Quest. 2. C. <Do you have a reasonable explanation on why a bright person like Suzanne would not be suspicious about her professor calling her up out of the blue, inviting her to his place on a Friday night, telling her not to tell anyone, and arranging for him to pick her up where no one would see them? > Answ. 2.C. Jim did not call her "out of the blue." As would be ...... anticipated, they discussed his calling her earlier that ...... day. There was nothing suspicious at all. He didn't tell her ...... not to tell anyone, and he didn't pick her up where no one ...... would see them. It was where his Jeep was parked. . I submit that every part of the scenario thus far is perfectly logical, plausible and very probable. With the pressure of completing her Senior Thesis, the ONE person she would want to talk with and see is Jim Van de Veld. If you will recall for a moment the article that discussed, and I believe quoted her mother on, how she was crying and very stressed and upset over it on the night of Wednesday, Dec. 2nd - just two nights earlier . . Your next question requires/invites a substantial answer and additional information. I will continue on a separate post. {It may have to be "tomorrow." }