To: Susan Saline who wrote (29306 ) 1/15/2000 5:02:00 PM From: Jay Lyons Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 43080
>and Jay .... you are forsaking us, eh? ...so the purpose I conclude, is to gather new contributors ... then they move from SI to some private site, which eventually (I would gather) charge an entry/subscription price?< As Scott once pointed out (during the course of basically chastizing me for not posting at all just because I wasn't posting trades), this thread is more than a forum for posting picks, it's a family, it's a group that have more in common than the means by which they make their living. Am I forsaking it? Hell no...this is my home. This is where I learned to wipe myself when I was starting out, this is where I still come to get advice or share a laugh with people that I know, trust, and have a history with. While I'm somewhat taken aback to find my motives questioned here, I'll do my best to explain them. I don't know if you remember when I first joined this thread two years ago. I didn't know what I was doing, I was losing money, I was looking for help creating a methodolgy, and I latched onto the idea of trading gaps like a dog grabs a bone...I wouldn't let go. I must have posted Scott fifty times a week about gap trading, and he answered everyone of them. Eventually I was able to make a living trading, and had made five or six lasting friendships as well. Why Sam and Kay's then? Well, perhaps because this is a very different thread now then it was then. When Scott first started the thread, a lot of newbies like myself moved from her thread to this one with him. A lot of people have moved on and those of us who remained and came to dominate the thread became very good at what we do. Other very good traders like John and Red and Jeff joined up. Because some of the best traders on SI are on this thread, I feel that to some extent it has become more of a place for serious, successful traders to swap trades and jokes then it was once. I think because of this the newbies are more inclined to lurk...I think they are more inclined to follow the thread for fish, rather than to learn how to fish. I see posts from beginners who have taken a position after seeing it posted here wanting to know what he should do with his trade. Had no plan for why he/she got in other than that one of us bought it, had no plan for when to exit, maybe went in for 1000 shares in a 20,000 account for a daytrade, what now? To us the position may have represented a very small part of our trading account, and some of us are willing to ride it down 50% and let it come back, but meanwhile the newbie may be losing his shirt. Hell, we've had posts from people with money on the line that don't yet know that you can open more than one browser at a time. I think that those people can benifit from Sam and Kay's site, that with the exception of Scott, they will do that beginner more good than any of us will. They'll learn about position size, they'll learn about money management. I'd have a lot more money today (and I'm not complaining mind you) if when I started out I could have combined what Sam and Kay have to teach with what I learned about gaps and trendlines from Scott. I fail to see how participation in more than one area is anything but good. Do I want people to move to a subsciption site? Damn straight, if it will help them become better traders, if it will help keep them from losing all their money. I mean, wasn't that a large part of Scott's original vision for this thread? Well it's what Sam and Kay are doing full time, and to suggest that people can benifit from it in no way demeans this thread. If they learn to be better traders, they can only be better participants on this thread. >real time is cool ... after the fact is marketing< I'm posting their picks at the beginning of the day and showing what I made with them at the end of the day in hopes that people will check their site out. Marketing? No, that's what they do on their own thread. The only benifit I'm deriving is that I hope they can eventually charge a subscription fee and make a living from it so that I can continue to benifit from their screens, which are making me money. Real time? Susan, SI isn't real time. Sometimes it takes the servers a good thirty seconds to load a page, at least once a day it squids the post you write, on bad days it's useless, we complain about it all the time. I've come to think that a well moderated chatroom or ICQ is a much better technology to employ if your purpose is to communicate in real time. >no offence is meant ... it's just repetitive ... and time consuming clicking< I sincerely hope that you accept this explination for what it is. Clearly I'm offended, but I'll get over it, it happens in the best of families. Just hope that you'll see my posts as me doing what I can to help others, and that taken in that light a simple click will be an accptable inconvinience. Jay