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To: Eric Miner who wrote (692)	1/21/2000 4:50:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Respond to of 1938

Well, I was working in the industry at the time and I recall that Sybase was "winning" oracle on all the tpc benchmarks and misc. evaluations in the database pubs such as dbms world (? can't remember the name of the one vertical mkt pub that existed then), despite the fact that Sybase didn't even have row level locking! I always thought Sybase marketing was key in creating the buzzword "client/server" as well as a perception that c/s was somehow superior to whatever Oracle had... when in fact the Oracle arch was actually superior - of course it was Oracle v5 then which was pretty buggy. Sybase also did an excellent job of moving in on the old Tandem database space on wallstreet - as if Sybase was the "new" fault tolerant product for the unix world. In total, I felt this was pretty amazing because (imo) the architecture of Oracle was superior with the 4 background process and row level locking etc. I credit Hoffman with the creation of the image of Sybase. Of course this is all ancient history so I could be mistaken - in any case he is doing a great job at cmrc, imo. (also I am looking at the 1989-90-91 timeframe not anything later which might be a different window than you are referring to)

To: Eric Miner who wrote (692)	1/21/2000 11:17:00 PM
From: Bill Lotozo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1938

Sorry Eric, but you are wrong. I've been into databases for a long time. Sybase died the day they got into bed with Microsoft. They gave their technology away for peanuts hoping that Microsoft would be a nice guy and push business their way for Unix customer. HA! So MS "stole" their technology and called it SQL Server and improved upon it. They didn't push any unix customers to Sybase but tried to convert them to NT. Before then, Sybases' marketing was excellent. They were actually giving Oracle a run for their money. Sybase (as many back then) had just not awoken to the snake that Microsoft was/is.