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To: Elmer who wrote (88933)	1/22/2000 11:33:00 AM
From: Dan3	Respond to of 1571898

Re: I don't see it a requirement that Intel provide poor helpless AMD with a means of optimizing their own code... Elmer, I'm not taking issue with Intel developing great benchmark code for Coppermine - it's a real achievement. It's just not relevant to me as a consumer of CPUs. Our staff doesn't run unreleased Intel benchmark code in our work. We run commercial apps, that are mostly written in Visual C++ or Borland C++, and much of our own code, that uses those tools, GNU C and C++, Visual Age Smalltalk, ESRI Avenue, VBA, and many others. So for us the performance on these applications is what matters. We can't spend time setting up perfect change-only-one-variable-at-a-time benchmarks here, but what we've seen seems to indicate rough equality in integer and better floating point performance for Athlon. I don't consider the Coppermine SPEC scores unfair, just not relevant to our use. Dan

To: Elmer who wrote (88933)	1/23/2000 1:06:00 AM
From: Joe NYC	Respond to of 1571898

Elmer, I agree with you in that a more complete comparison can only be made when both have access or their own optimized code, which may not be the same for both processors. You are right you buy your computer for the sole purpose of running the Specint benchmark. However, if you actually want to use the computer for something productive, you have to do what commercial software vendors do to generate their executables - which is use one executable. You don't get a whole collection, one optimized for Pentium, another for Pentium MMX or PPro, PII, PIII, PIII Coppermine, Celeron, Celeron A, AMD K6, K6-2, K6-3, K7, Cyrix, IDT or whatever. Joe