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To: tejek who wrote (88990)1/22/2000 4:21:00 PM
From: Goutam  Respond to of 1572515
 
Ted,

This is old news (another article on the same subject was already posted on this thred), but I just decided to post this brief note any way - just for fun --

electronicnews.com ______________________

Gateway to offer Athlon-based commercial systems starting Monday

Jan 21, 2000 --- Gateway Computer will begin offering AMD Athlon processor-based commercial desktops targeted at small businesses starting Monday, Jan. 24.

The systems, called the Gateway Select SB series, represent a significant design win for the microprocessor maker, AMD said. AMD has a stated goal for the new year of moving its Athlon into commercial computer systems, including desktops, workstations and servers.

A top five PC vendor, Gateway is the largest computer manufacturer to carry AMD Athlon processor-based commercial systems. On January 10, Pionex Technologies, an East Coast-based OEM with annual revenues approaching $2 billion, began offering AMD Athlon processor-based workstations and
desktops.

Earlier this year, Gateway intimated that its use of the Athlon chip could cross over into commercial systems.

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Goutama



To: tejek who wrote (88990)1/22/2000 4:53:00 PM
From: Elmer  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572515
 
Re: "So my question is: "why later than sooner"? Is this another bad execution move on Intel's part? "

I believe you are just plain mistaken on this one Ted. Intel stated all along they had no need to go to copper before the .13u process and I believe their performance does and will continue to bare that out. They are already 33% above the top end of their .25u process and I expect they will go much higher, despite the uninformed claims of some others here on this thread.

EP



To: tejek who wrote (88990)1/23/2000 7:26:00 AM
From: Process Boy  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1572515
 
ted - <EP, no, Intel has said they are late and have blamed it on the slowness of the equipment makers......lately, its seems that Intel is very good at the blaming game.>

You are confusing two different issues ted, i.e., the general issue of long lead times for equipment delivery from the equipment vendors (Spliter to Equipment makers in Pebble Beach last week), versus Intel's specific stance on when and why it will go to Cu at .13, which it has had for two + years, since sometime shortly after IBM and MOT announced that they had Cu process.

These posts should help you sort it out.

On Long lead times for equipment in general (macro issue for whole industry):

eet.com

"Our technology cycles have shrunk over the last 10 years from three and half years to two years and sometime even less than two years," said Michael Splinter, senior vice president and general manager of Intel's Technology and Manufacturing Group. "When the technology gets that fast, there isn't a whole lot of time to wait...we need that mature equipment performance and run rate early in the life cycle of the technology right out of the box. That's a huge expenditure for us today, waiting and working and driving the pieces of equipment to maturity.

Intel Process gurus speaking on why Intel is not going to Cu at .18:

eet.com

Copper is a more expensive technology, and the benefits at 0.18-micron line widths are not compelling, Bohr said. The same cost-vs.-performance argument pertains to silicon on insulator (SOI). "I have not seen the data, even from IBM, that shows a performance advantage in going to SOI," said Bohr. There is a paper [from IBM] at this conference that has a 10-ps stage delay with an 80-nm gate. We achieved an 11-ps stage delay with a 130-nm gate today, in a process that is shippable next year."

Supporting January 2000 article from Semiconductor International:

semiconductor.net

Though copper interconnects originally offered the promise of 30% faster devices with fewer metal levels and lower-cost production, few companies have attained such dramatic performance and economic advantages with copper. Surprisingly, for some companies "copper is actually more of a cost driver than a performance driver, making low-k the key enabler for high performance," says FSI's Rode.

Now, if you want to keep up the obfuscation, I would ask you to post some links. (per milo's suggestion).

PB