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Technology Stocks : Transmeta (TMTA)-The Monster That Could Slay Intel -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (89)1/23/2000 2:15:00 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 421
 
Your observation is consistent with a talk Dick Sites (the designer of the Alpha) gave once.
They'd instrumented an entire NT system (not just some application),
and found that the biggest single thing they could do to increase real world performance
was drastically increase the size of the cache.

I also take some issue with another post asserting that all Intel has to do is
unearth some prior VLIW work and bring out a product. Have other people ever worked
on one of those quick-fix projects? The probability of slippage is large, and Transmeta
will not be sitting on their hands for the next 9 or whatever months.



To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (89)1/23/2000 9:12:00 PM
From: Thomas A Watson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 421
 
Well said Bill, and adding my 2 cents. Most of the world is used to an application experience as presented by Msft software archeborg Bill Gates. (Piggy clunky and slow) Now in small web devices or tablets, well on Linux you might be able to get by with 100% of the computing power of an Intel486-66.
SEE WEB tablet. transmeta.com
So I'd guess that the computing power of the TM3120 that runs 333-400MHz is at least as capable as the 1996 200Mhz pentium pro or a Pentium II or celeron at 350 to 400 Mhz.

SEE: transmeta.com all specs.

Now under Linux when using a lean window manager and the fastest Xserver what is a 200 MHz Pentium Pro capable of.

Two display's each with 10 desktops and with up to 20 or 30 browser windows open and some graphical apps, a spread sheet and word processing. Any App on any desk is up and live in less than one second even if I'm ftping and copying from a floppy and cdrom all at once.
Now this is my idea of stuff ta make ya productive. watman.com

hmmm... it's 9:00 est time and my web provider is working on his server, so the stuff and other watman pages won't be up for... well dey said an hour.

watman.com is also about how I do this.

Tom Watson tosiwmee



To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (89)1/25/2000 11:48:00 AM
From: Daniel Schuh  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 421
 
One last post:

I suspect the performance gap in real-world use will be a lot less than one might at first suppose. Clearly TM's emphasis on developing appropriate benchmarking awareness points to this. Most chips today spend much of their cycles bottlenecked on memory, I/O, busses, etc., so it is not inconceivable that Crusoe chips, which tend to have much larger caches since they don't need chip area for a lot of other hardware functions, will be very competitive in the performance department.

I got a different take on this after reading what's on the Transmeta site. Offhand, it looks like their performance just isn't that good, especially with the higher-perf chip 6 months off yet, so they're pushing the low power/ good enough performance angle, because that's all they got. Looking at what they report in transmeta.com, the one benchmark that shows any processor dependence in completion time is Office 2K, and the completion times listed are .133 hrs for Mobile PIII 500 mhz, .167 for the 6-months-out TM5400. Head scratching time there.

The larger cache thing isn't quite right either. From transmeta.com, the TM5400 has 256k L2 cache, same as the PIII. More L1 for the TM5400, but it's still a little funny. The chip size is 73mm^2 for the TM5400 vs. 106 mm^2 for the mobile PIII, so the Transmeta chip is about 1/3 smaller. It's true they could have bigger caches if they make the chip as big as the PIII, but that would cost them in other ways.

Finally, it's not like there won't be alternatives out there. From the ever cheeky Register last week:

AMD K6-III mobile may trash Transmeta on
thermals theregister.co.uk

Sources tell The Register that behind the scenes, there are very low thermal K6-III microprocessors using copper interconnect technology being developed and perfected at AMD's Dresden part, in Germany.

When the Dresden part ramps up, we are given to understand, AMD will be able to ramp up any number of K6-IIIs for mobiles. There are back room boys in an area of the fab in Dresden, working on mobile communications, we understand from our visit there last August. Some of them might even work for Motorola.


Well, it's the Register, and it's AMD, but AMD has been doing pretty well on delivering what they promise of late, while Intel has stumbled here and there. I don't know, it doesn't look like Transmeta has a real clear field ahead of them anywhere.

Cheers, Dan.