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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (29435)	1/27/2000 8:41:00 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hello, Steve. Good points. We are told that we are dead in our sins. Spiritually a dead duck. We do not have the ability to revive ourselves as some teach. I have heard preachers use the analogy that we are drowning, and we are going down for the third (last) time when we cry out for forgiveness and God saves us. Not so. A dead man can not call out for anything. Salvation is a work of the Holy Spirit. God literally "drags us to repentance." This is why some are fooling themselves when they think they will get saved on a deathbed repentance. The fact is, they do not repent unless God chooses them at that moment. Our "free will" in this case is not even considered. We do have free will to make decisions but our God is sovereign. God knows that we misuse our free will. I call that sin in action when we use our free will to go against God's will. But, it is my belief that we may take some sideroads but we still end up on the same destination that God has planned for us. I always know when I am out of the sovereign will of the Father because I suffer pain until I am back in God's will for me. But for his grace, Santiago

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (29435)	1/27/2000 9:19:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Greetings again Steve, and all who love the Lord Jesus Christ, <<< Show me in scripture were God says he chose us without looking ahead on our lives to make his decision!>>> That answer Steve is throughout the New Testament especially the book of Ephesians, Chapters 1&2. We are " spiritually dead " and we can never make a choice toward a Holy God, we are an enmity with Him, alienated and hostile toward Him. We could never choose Him...........impossible. It is His Grace and Election that we are made " alive in Christ " and then come to Him, Grace and Grace alone. That is the True Gospel. You and I had nothing to do with our Salvation, twas grace that made us alive and Grace that causes us to repent and Grace that will keep us in Christ forevermore, Hallelujah, Praise His Most Holy Name...In Christ, Robert Please Read Ephesians prayerfully Steve.................the truth is there. 1Peter 2:9 " But you are a chosen generation, , a royal priesthood, a holy nation His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light Romans 8:7-8 " Rom. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.