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To: Rambi who wrote (46099)	1/31/2000 12:30:00 PM
From: Gauguin	Respond to of 71178

There's this guy, snoozing, up in Oregon, who gets tickled and excited by the bold and worthy women. Yes. He likes being around them; and hearing what they have to say; and being surprised by it and smiling about it; and wants to have some lunch in the cottonwoods and orange rocks by the stream, with wet and sandy feet; and watch them talk and hug them sometimes, and go read his book. From time to time he would like to be glued to them, but mostly he likes to lean against the tree and sleep in the sun, by the stream; and hear the voices, theirs, and what they say, in his subconscious, while he dreams. Of whatever-ever. In the evening they watch the stars come out. Blue and white.

To: Rambi who wrote (46099)	1/31/2000 10:41:00 PM
From: JF Quinnelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

I love the logic of this. The Politically Correct hate the flag and malign it as racist. So, Kappa Alpha, a fraternity founded by Robert E Lee, gives up the flag, Ole Miss gives up the flag, everyone who simply honors their own history is forced to give up the flag and... the hate groups get to claim it as their own. At which point the PC gestapo wins, and every else can just give up their freedom to honor the past. No, this is an ugly business promoted by some real hatemongers, on the political left, who thrive on racial turmoil. They don't care about the Battle Flag, it's just one more tool in their neverending campaign. My friend David Horowitz, once a major player in the New Left, knows exactly how this stuff plays out. In fact he just published a book on the subject, Hating Whitey, which I need to get around to reading.

To: Rambi who wrote (46099)	1/31/2000 11:01:00 PM
From: jpmac	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Magnolia trees, screened-in front porches, syrupy sweet iced-tea, impromptu blue-grass jams, chasing fire-flys in twilight... those are symbols of the South to me and ones worth keeping. I can't see getting rid of the flag, but to me a battle flag is not something I want to wave or wear unless I'm still into the battle. I'm glad the North won and that we're the United States. And I had over 20 cousins of my surname fight in it. That's just the surname, I don't know the number of the branches. There's no shame, they were Scot-Irish dirt farmers not really much interested in it from what I hear and they didn't like slavery. And Madison, as well as others, considered that a split was probable, if not inevitable, at some point due to the differences between North and South. There were at least two serious movements afoot in New England to secede in the early 1800's, so it was hardly just a Southern thing. So the split came and then ended. Sort of. And, again, I'm glad it did. The battle flag is a part of Southern heritage and if you can take away the ugliness of slavery, there were serious issues that that South fought for. But I can't see waving a battle flag when peace and and a co-operative future are the objective. And I don't see how it is necessary to do so to honor those who fought and died. Or something like that.