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To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (46159)	1/31/2000 10:32:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 71178

I don't claim independent knowledge of anything, but I am fairly certain that you are aware that there are other alleged shrouds - it's well known. >>Some of the more famous medieval shrouds include: Shroud of Charlemagne: Given by Charles the Bold in 877 to the church of St Cornelius at Compi‚gne, the shroud was destroyed during the French revolution. Shroud of Cadouin: First displayed 1115, this napkin was kept at Cistercian abbey at Cadouin in P‚rigord. It was destroyed in 1933 when it was found to be of 10th century Egyptian manufacture with quotations from the Koran. Shroud of Besan‡on: First reported in 1349, it disappeared when the cathedral of Besan‡on was struck by lightning and burnt to the ground. The shroud was a painted copy (on one side only) and was destroyed with the consent of the clergy during the French revolution Besides the Shroud of Turin, other surviving Shroud relics include the Sudarium Christi of Andechs in Bavaria and the Sudarium Christi at Oviedo in Spain. "According to the Gospel of John, Jesus left not just his shroud behind in the tomb but also a 'napkin', which had been on his head, not lying with the linen cloths but rolled up in a place by itself.' In a silvered cedar chest in the Cathedral of Oviedo, in Spain, there is a cloth, measuring slightly less than 2 ft. by 3 ft., that some believe to be the napkin. Records say the Cloth of Oviedo was spirited out of Jerusalem around 614 when the city was attacked by Persia, then traveled through North Africa to Oviedo, where it has been housed since 1113. No image is visible on the cloth, but researchers Alan and Mary Whanger have concluded that it bears a number of bloodstains that correspond to similar stains on the Shroud of Turin, suggesting the two cloths touched the same head." - Reported by Andrea Dorfman /New York and Greg Burke and Martin Penner /RomeTime Magazine, April 20, 1998 Vol. 151 No. 15 "...A fragment has been cut off the Turin Shroud, and in 1247, Emperor Baldwin II ceded to King Louis IX 'Partem sudarii quo involutum fuit corpus ejus (scilicet Domini Jesu Christi) in sepulcro'. Baldwin's letter to Louis does not use the usual formula 'de sindone' but the word 'partem', suggesting the he was sending only a portion of the Shroud. In addition to the Pamplona portion, he also gave pieces to Archbishop John of Toledo ('Pretiosa particula de sindone'), and in 1267 he exchanged a portion of the 'sudario salvatoris' for the body of Mary Magdalene with the Abbey of V‚zelay. In December 1269, he sent Bishop Guy de la Tour of Clermont a relic of the 'sudarium'." - Noel Currer-Briggs, Shroud Mafia - The Creation of a Relic? (1995) Kersten and Gruber, (The Jesus Conspiracy - The Turin Shroud & The Truth About the Resurrection ) have investigated two additional cloth relics. A Sudarium at Halberstadt cathedral was found to be a cotton crepe sack (probably meant to fit over a bishop's crosier) which bears to similarity to the Shroud of Turin. "Cloths in which our Lord Jesus Christ was wrapped" rest in a crystal reliquary in Toledo cathedral. It was not said that they were from the tomb of Jesus, however, and no mention is made that they were a gift of St. Louis when he transferred relic treasures from Constantinople to Toledo in 1248. "Altogether there were more than forty rival claimants for the title of 'Holy Shroud' - and the claims of every one of them have been minutely examined by historians. Yet in only one case - that of an isolated reference dating from 1203 - is there any possibility that it might have been the Litey or Turin Shroud in an earlier guise. In all the other cases, the dimensions are completely different and, most significantly of all, in no instance (except in that 1203 reference) is there any mention of a miraculous image. In other words, alleged shrouds of Jesus may have been relatively thick on the ground, but in almost all cases they were blank pieces of cloth." - Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince, Turin Shroud - In Whose Image? The Shocking Truth Unveiled (1994)<< home.fireplug.net