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To: kash johal who wrote (91075)	2/2/2000 10:41:00 AM
From: Scot	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1574123

Kash and Thread, kx133 debate won't be settled by this review....but here is part of Chris Tom's conclusion (BTW, as mentioned earlier, this is not a retail board): slota.com I have to say that I am impressed by the KX133. The stability of the board was top notch. I had expected more problems with AGP 2X and 4X. I experienced no lockups with the TNT 2 and did not have to resort to registry hacks to enable 2X, 4X or side banding. It looks like Via has done an excellent job following the AGP spec. I was also satisfied with the chipsets performance. Sure it lagged in some tests, but remember that the KX133 will excel when using applications that that access the memory heavily. This is why it pulled ahead of the AMD 751 with Winstone 99 and Content Creation. Gaming performance is a little bit trickier. While it held its own with the 751 I was hoping to see an improvement of some sort with AGP 4X enabled. In all of the testing I have done so far I have not seen a definite increase. One thing to keep in mind also is that KX133 based boards should be a significant amount less costly than previous Athlon boards. They will only require a 4 layer PCB and it should cost Via less to manufacture than the 751. As for compatibility with other components like ram, power supplies, and video cards, only time will tell. I will try to test more components, including generic power supplies and ram. I hope that these boards will signal an end to Athlon system configuration nightmares. It's difficult to draw a total conclusion with the amount of time I have had to test the board. I plan on an addendum to this review in the near future. I want to further investigate the performance of AGP 4X, run tests with an Athlon of at least 800MHz, preferably 900, test with Cas 2 PC133 SDRAM, VCM SDRAM, and do some more testing on the latency. GeForce testing is also at the top of my list. Expect much more testing with this sample board until I can get my hands on a retail product. I also well try and overclock the bus with the 138 and 143MHz settings. I may have to quit my day job to get all of this done though. ;) -Scot

To: kash johal who wrote (91075)	2/2/2000 12:13:00 PM
From: Charles R	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574123

Kash, <My argument is that they can sell a MB (cost $40) plus cumine CPU (cost $40) for the $130-150 range in a price war. And if they do get Willy to work then the classic squeeze starts again. Willy and servers will give Intel all the overhead margin they need. And Intel will collapse low end to cumines.> A few things: - If Intel positions CuMine at the low-end and Wilamette at the high-end then AMD should have offerings either at the mid-range or high-end. Do you agree? - If Wilamette does turn out to be really kick-butt compared to whatever AMD can offer in the corresponding time-frame, how long do you think it will take Intel to ramp it up before Intel can pull off the "vice grip"? (note that Wilamette ramp may be tied to 0.13 and it is taking Intel about a year to ramp CuMine on 0.18) - Who will be the first company to fully convert CPUs to 0.13 - AMD or Intel (not just the beginning but a full conversion) Chuck