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To: Zoltan! who wrote (73726)	2/2/2000 4:14:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

>>we must use incentives to get scientists and engineers to stick with research until it matures and proves profitable. The exploitation of graduate students and young professors (in science and technology) is disastrous (its okay with capitalism if liberal and fine arts professors starve). In many universities, the U's steal all the intellectual property and then do very little to commercialize it. We need to get the rewards into the hands of those who actually perform the research<< Nihil is talking about the problems of graduate students and post-docs feeling, and maybe being, exploited by the research process. It's something that's being talked about widely in scientific journals, e.g., Nature. They do the real work, and get paid in the teens and low twenties. The Universities get the grants, and have the intellectual property rights to the research, but it's the researchers who write the grants and do the work. On the other hand, the Universities do own the facilities. But not only do the researchers not have any rights to the fruits of their labors, and get paid very little for doing it, the carrot used to be tenure, and they don't even get that anymore. So what's in it for them? I can't see anything attractive in the deal - no rights to the research, no tenure, not much pay.

To: Zoltan! who wrote (73726)	2/2/2000 9:58:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I am afraid you are an ignoramus. Universities are being ruined by their failure to reward researchers for their ideas. Any good university is being torn apart by the cupidity of the administrators -- who never invented anything -- and the departure of professors, technicians, and students who have invented something that is not being developed. Universities are being turned into medieval grammar schools with a handful of useless pedants teaching subjects with no market value, while commercial schools are turning out systems engineers and the like. Yet universities don't know how to commercialize anything, even football. There's a lot of money to be made by freeloading on universities. I've made a lot myself. SUNW ("Stanford Universities Networks"), CSCO and many others came from Stanford. Why isn't it richer? The greedy bastards have to share and enrich the scientists, or they'll quit and do it themselves. Then we'll only have crummy uninventive universities left, like yours, that can't even play football well.