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To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (29738)	2/7/2000 8:00:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Robert, You said, "Free will does not enter the picture here Steve, Pharaoh is doing what he was made to do.( vessel of wrath )" Please have patience with me here but you are not answering my question, or I am not hearing the answer clearly. Please take out the equation whether Pharoah deserved to have his heart hardened or not. Not the issue I am discussing here! What I am addressing is this, if Pharaoh was fallen, he could not make a GOOD decision for God (by letting the Jews go), or to choose God (to believe in the God of the Jews), according to your beliefs. Why would God have to make special mention that he had to harden Pharoah's heart, when Pharoah was predestined to be fallen? It is inherent in your definition to be fallen, that a fallen man has a hardened heart, before he even lives. Let me also try to phrase it another way, according to your beliefs, isn't everyone that is fallen heart's hardened before they even live? And if that is true, why does God make special mention to us, repeatedly that he hardens Pharoahs heart, when it already was hardened before his life even started? If we knew Pharaoh was fallen, there would be no need to mention the hardening of his heart, according to your definition. Remember your definition, "There is NOTHING ( that includes decisions, choices etc)" Good " in Us, in our natural state ( unbelievers ). This is where I see the problem is Steve. You think that in your " fallen condition " you can make a decision to choose God." Thank you for the time to answer these questions. God Bless, Steve