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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (29744)	2/8/2000 2:52:00 AM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

<<<You say we don't have free will and could never make a decision to believe in God for ourselves. I say you're wrong!>>> Your tying two things into one and making the assumption that if I believe this then I must also believe that. Don't the scriptures expressly state that no man comes to Jesus except the father draw Him, and since it also says that men love darkness rather than light and that there is none good how can one possibly believe for themself? Did you make a choice about being born in the naturals? On the same note, after you were born in the flesh did you decide it's now time to be born again by the Spirit? A natural carnal mind is not able to comprehend God much less cause itself to be born into Gods kingdom. ...who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:13 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. So your group is suggesting that a man by virtue of his own free will can change his estate from that of being condemned to that of being not condemned? If that is the case then predestination should be thrown out and your theory embraced! But you cannot have it both ways. Now having said that, there will never be any valid accusation against God claiming that a soul was lost solely upon the basis that they were not chosen on Gods predestination list. People go to hell because they hate the light and love the darkness. Chris

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (29744)	2/12/2000 10:47:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

<<<But for your benefit, and for anyone else's trying to understand what is going on and what I am doing here, I will!>>>> I am still patiently waiting. At one point you said you didn't have the time but would get to it. At another you said you were inspired to do it by God himself. Now the truth of the matter is I see you doing plenty of posting about everything else except this issue. How did you get so easily sidetracked? Chris